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karmann66 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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Does anyone know can the 2 vertical rubber seals be replaced that fit in between the nose sheet metal and the inner fender in the spare tire area? And were does one find those pieces ? checked the usual sites did not see them listed. Maybe this was answered already but did not see it. |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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karmann66 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Portland
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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Thank you I will check it out. Appreciate the info |
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Mellow Yellow 74 Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2014 Posts: 1615 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:14 am Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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Darrell is right, the rubber you want is called the hinge pillar cover plate seal. Unless you are replacing the nose or the inner panels it will be extremely difficult to replace these - to do it you would probably need to cut the ridge off the rubber on one side to allow you to press it in somehow. _________________ 1962 Karmann Ghia
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32433 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:52 am Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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Ok, this is going to be a blasphemous comment to some who dwell in the land of the purists....... but for a panel seal such as this, one that is not easily remewed or removed.
Chemical technology has advanced huge leaps and bounds since the days of the Ghia.
Various polymers and eleastics are routinely sold in tubes today.
These modern products are actually quite amazing in what they can seal and the properties they have allowing for long term expansion and movement.
Glass adhesive springs to mind. Glass, a slippery solid / liquid is no longer held in with gaskets but effectively "glued" into place with a very long lasting and resilient adhesive sealer.
Concrete expansion joints fillers are another one, all sorts of amazing adhesives/fillers are used everyday around us.
Surely one of these products can easily and effectively fill this crack to the nose and not cause metal corrosion as some products can or let go in five years like silicone does.
On the splash panel? Another story because that gets removed from time to time.
Just thinking out loud........
Dave _________________ Stop Dead Photo Links how to post photos
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bhartwell59 Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014 Posts: 788 Location: dallas, tx
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:29 am Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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If the OG poster is indeed referring to the hinge pillar cover plate seal, I bought mine via KGPR's ebay site about 4 weeks ago.
After installing the seal/plate I couldn't get the seal pressed firmly up against the inner fender wall in the center so some seam sealer took care of the last 1/4" of space. It's not pretty but it works. _________________ '74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2867 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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djkeev wrote: |
Ok, this is going to be a blasphemous comment to some who dwell in the land of the purists....... but for a panel seal such as this, one that is not easily remewed or removed.
Chemical technology has advanced huge leaps and bounds since the days of the Ghia.
Various polymers and eleastics are routinely sold in tubes today.
These modern products are actually quite amazing in what they can seal and the properties they have allowing for long term expansion and movement.
Glass adhesive springs to mind. Glass, a slippery solid / liquid is no longer held in with gaskets but effectively "glued" into place with a very long lasting and resilient adhesive sealer.
Concrete expansion joints fillers are another one, all sorts of amazing adhesives/fillers are used everyday around us.
Surely one of these products can easily and effectively fill this crack to the nose and not cause metal corrosion as some products can or let go in five years like silicone does.
On the splash panel? Another story because that gets removed from time to time.
Just thinking out loud........
Dave |
I agree with you, with due respect to the contrary opinions of those who choose originality over functionaity. When I put my Ghia back together - remember it had been skinned and taken competely apart - I spread a thick automotive seamsealer in the gap under consideration instead of the rubber that everyone finds near impossible to install.
The painter guy agreed with me on the basis that water would be trapped between those rubbers and the paint but it would flow off the seamsealer like, well, water. _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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kiwighia68 wrote: |
djkeev wrote: |
Ok, this is going to be a blasphemous comment to some who dwell in the land of the purists....... but for a panel seal such as this, one that is not easily remewed or removed.
Chemical technology has advanced huge leaps and bounds since the days of the Ghia.
Various polymers and eleastics are routinely sold in tubes today.
These modern products are actually quite amazing in what they can seal and the properties they have allowing for long term expansion and movement.
Glass adhesive springs to mind. Glass, a slippery solid / liquid is no longer held in with gaskets but effectively "glued" into place with a very long lasting and resilient adhesive sealer.
Concrete expansion joints fillers are another one, all sorts of amazing adhesives/fillers are used everyday around us.
Surely one of these products can easily and effectively fill this crack to the nose and not cause metal corrosion as some products can or let go in five years like silicone does.
On the splash panel? Another story because that gets removed from time to time.
Just thinking out loud........
Dave |
I agree with you, with due respect to the contrary opinions of those who choose originality over functionaity. When I put my Ghia back together - remember it had been skinned and taken competely apart - I spread a thick automotive seamsealer in the gap under consideration instead of the rubber that everyone finds near impossible to install.
The painter guy agreed with me on the basis that water would be trapped between those rubbers and the paint but it would flow off the seamsealer like, well, water. |
Blasphemy! _________________ GhiaBuild
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2013 Posts: 2867 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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c21darrel wrote: |
kiwighia68 wrote: |
djkeev wrote: |
Ok, this is going to be a blasphemous comment to some who dwell in the land of the purists....... but for a panel seal such as this, one that is not easily remewed or removed.
Chemical technology has advanced huge leaps and bounds since the days of the Ghia.
Various polymers and eleastics are routinely sold in tubes today.
These modern products are actually quite amazing in what they can seal and the properties they have allowing for long term expansion and movement.
Glass adhesive springs to mind. Glass, a slippery solid / liquid is no longer held in with gaskets but effectively "glued" into place with a very long lasting and resilient adhesive sealer.
Concrete expansion joints fillers are another one, all sorts of amazing adhesives/fillers are used everyday around us.
Surely one of these products can easily and effectively fill this crack to the nose and not cause metal corrosion as some products can or let go in five years like silicone does.
On the splash panel? Another story because that gets removed from time to time.
Just thinking out loud........
Dave |
I agree with you, with due respect to the contrary opinions of those who choose originality over functionaity. When I put my Ghia back together - remember it had been skinned and taken competely apart - I spread a thick automotive seamsealer in the gap under consideration instead of the rubber that everyone finds near impossible to install.
The painter guy agreed with me on the basis that water would be trapped between those rubbers and the paint but it would flow off the seamsealer like, well, water. |
Blasphemy! :wink: |
The test is as follows: If this modern technology were available when our Ghias were conceived and built, would Messrs Karmann and Ghia have utilized them?
Better seatbelts
Fuel filter moved out of the engine bay
etc.
+ seamsealer instead of rubber where possible
As a matter of fact, didn't they add various inprovements as the technology became available? IRS, disc brakes, etc. The list is long. So what's wrong with seamsealer? _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
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djkeev Samba Moderator
Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32433 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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djkeev wrote: |
Kiwi...... observe smiley wink....... he's yanking your chain!
Dave |
I saw that Dave, but I'm arguing the case against the purist-at-all-costs approach. No one would accuse Darrel of being a purist, would they?
Really? _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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kiwighia68 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: ghia Front nose/ rubber between nose and inner fender |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Not yet, but im patient. :) |
We'll watch your conversion wth great interest.
And some glee. :) _________________ Festina lente - hasten slowly
1968 Ghia named Emiko
Resto completed Dec 2015 |
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