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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:52 am    Post subject: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I have bought myself some Kamei front spoilers for both the standard Beetle post 1968 and the Super Beetle (2 Types). All of them have a plain "smooth" front outer surface.

Did Kamei ever produce the spoiler with a "grained" outer front surface finish ?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I don't recall ever seeing a 'grained' surface Kamei available while I was searching for one a few months ago. I think they all are smooth surfaced.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I vaguely remember my fathers Kamei front spoiler in the 70´ had a fine grained surface.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

flat4olsen wrote:
I vaguely remember my fathers Kamei front spoiler in the 70´ had a fine grained surface.


I've been upfront and personal with the real deal and it indeed had a fine pebble grain molding "finish" to it. Think offroad fender flare or dirt motorcycle rear fender kind of fine pebble grain.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Here's a the Kamei spoiler on the front of my car. You can see the slight grain in this photo:
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My spoiler has 'Kamei' stamped in the material, also the faded white sticker in the next photo is the Kamei logo:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I keep saying "grain" but the description I really wanted to use is simply "texture."
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I wonder what the nut looks like.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Mine is smooth, but I bought it second hand, and it was allready painted. So maybe the previous owner smoothed it.
But the backside is smooth too.

See:
http://www.gerrelt.nl/section-aerodynamics/modifications-kamei

Maybe you could order it black "textured" and smooth for painting?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I seem to remember that the Kamei spoiler I put on my 1972 Superbug back in 1980 had a grained/textured surface on the outside surface and the inside suface was plain/smooth.

The six spoilers that I have recently purchased are all smooth on the outside.
They were bought form bothe sides of the Atlantic, not just one location.

They all appear to be made of ABS plastic and are embossed in the plastic with the name Kamei and the part number.
They all come with:
- Kamei sticker.
- Plastic bag with instructions and fixing parts.
- Kamei labels taped to the spoiler
- Manufacturing date stamp on a sticker. One indicates 29.03.17 -HMM!

Two scenarios here:
1) Some one has the original molds and is making new spoilers.
2) Fakes are being made of the original spoiler.

I think I have bought 6 very expensive fake spoilers. Buyer beware.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the spoiler on my car is original, the oldest picture I have of my car is from 1998 (it's a '96) and it has the spoiler in the photo:
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I also have the manuals (for both versions of the spoiler [standard and super Beetle]) and a plastic holder for the manuals:
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Due to an overwhelming amount of evidence, this court concludes your air dam to be original. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Meiang, do any of your 6 spoilers have this data box molded into the surface like on hopkin's photos? That data was essential on the original German part, to comply with German traffic agency requirements. Knock-off copies would not need that if sold outside of Germany.

It's hard to tell in the photo, but the number at the lower right of the data box is the same number in the lower center of the hopkin's document, the "ABE"- 35003. That's the specific "permit" number which the German agency issued to Kamei for the general usage of the spoiler. Hopkin's other document has a similar number 35004 for the other VW model. The difference in spoilers was due to the different front apron/fender shape of Std vs Super Beetles. Vehicle owners were to keep the document in the car to present to vehicle authorities upon request, to prove that the document was official and that it matched the part installed on the car. The aftermarket parts approval and installation process was very, very strict in Germany compared to the USA.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Photographs of my spoilers marking, sticker, paperwork.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Thanks, Meiang. Spoiler markings, though simplified from the earlier-produced ones shown by hopkin, and the paperwork all look genuine to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

Do the spoilers improve handling at highway speeds?

Are the spoilers still available?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

DesignBuild wrote:
Are the spoilers still available?


Yes. From German Junkies. About $280 delivered.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

You’ll notice that almost every modern car—and some trucks—have a front end design with a built-in spoiler. There are good reasons for that. Improved gas mileage, and better stability in windy conditions.

I don’t have a spoiler on my Bug, but I have friends that do, and they tell me that their cars don’t wander in the wind, like a non-spoiler bug does. I have no reason to doubt their word.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:12 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

There are after mkt. companies that are making them.. You can get an effective one shipped for $150, international.. And what is funny, is before the Covid 19 within 10 Days... lol.. RB

p.s. By the way, tracking is severely improved!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

The spoilers make a significant difference in stability, especially from side winds.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

RailBoy wrote:
There are after mkt. companies that are making them.. You can get an effective one shipped for $150, international.. And what is funny, is before the Covid 19 within 10 Days... lol.. RB

p.s. By the way, tracking is severely improved!


There is another thread about the spoilers that compared several of the aftermarket ones. Make sure you research what you are buying if it isnt an official Kamei, because a bunch of them look way different and much smaller. With that said, it makes me very nervous trying to get a good one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Kamei Front Spoilers Reply with quote

For additional reading, if you wish:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=713372&highlight=


I have a Kamei and it was worth every penny to me.
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