Class 11 Coalition Website Status

[Gonzaga13]

I'm am wondering if anybody knows the status of the Class 11 Coalition forum (http://class11coalition.com/forum).

I have made several attempts to create an account, however, I never receive the "activation email". I have tried with two different email addresses I have with the same result, no activation email.

Unfortunately, you need an account to inquire on that forum so that is why I am posting here, I figured there would be some overlap of members and knowledge.

Is that site still active? Am I doing something wrong? Am I the first to experience this issue?

Any help would be appreciated

[L5wolvesf]

IMO it is a good site and I picked up a lot of info there before our first race. It was very useful before and during and after the race.

But, it seems to have died of significantly since after 2013 or so. I MAY have read here that Class 11 entrants were very low around then. I pickup some good additional info here. But C11co was more racing and race specific.

I can't say if you're doing the activation right or not.
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[L5wolvesf]

Just a thought here: Could Samba maybe "obtain" that site/membership and run it out of here? It is VW specific.
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[oldschool5er]

Most that were on that site are using FB now under Class11 junkies, King Dave and all the current racers are using FB. The problem is that it is hard to get enough specifics on C11 builds or any other build for that matter off FB. I am usually talking with Code or Record racers about C11 or 5/1600 because some also race SCORE. FB seems to be more about stateside races for C11 or 5/1600. Without a website documenting new builds it becomes difficult for new builders to get accurate info. Just a few builds going on except in Baja maybe and then just because of Code and Record.
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[L5wolvesf]

[oldschool5er]

Class 11 guys stick together pretty tight and it has been that way from the very beginning. I started in Class11 when Mickey Thompson started the class and had Dave Beeson build him 3 C11's. When Mickeys were done we started building Hank Roeds C11 in the same spot. Our build is shown in VW Greats June 1976 when 4 of us started our team. We had podiums in Score in that car at Riverside and the Parker race but we had raced once against King Dave and his dad when he was a teenager. I think they were cheating because he only weighed 90lbs lol. We like so many others in 76/77 turned the 11 car into a 5/1600 and went on to race in that class. King Dave went on in C11, 5/1600, 1600, and established his Dynasty Lol. I still have the car to this day that we built.

C11 has been struggling in numbers for decades except maybe in Mexico but I only compare that to the years we raced against 30+ cars, early years it was even more. There has been a little resurgence as of lately and I hope it can continue to at least not fade away, but as rule changes keep getting away from it as a stock class I think it will blend if it hasn't already into a 5/1600 class with a full body on it. That was not the intent of Mickey and was the very reason he kept it separate from the Baja classes. It needs to stay stock and rough and tumble as it was intended and not be melded into some kind of C5. I know my position is not popular but it is the point of it being a tough class to finish a race in that is the essence of the class itself.

If you really want to see a Modern 5/1600 build please go to GonzoRacing.net. Mark Anderson has done a perfect website on his and Trevors build of their winning 5/1600. I know Mark and they don't come any better in documenting, help, and knowledge of what it takes to build a winning car. He is an example of how close us limited class builder/drivers are. I doubt you would ever find such a well documented build. Mark only raced SCORE in Baja so it reflects those rules when Art was the Tech Director.
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[dustymojave]

One thing that Art struggled against as SCORE Tech Director in his last year before he passed away was rule changes for Clacss 11. Art was trying to keep it a stock class as much as possible. But there was a racer who complained to Roger Norman that with the rules the way they were Class 11s would never be able to finish in time. So Roger pushed through rules to allow more modification to Class 11 suspensions that will make the class more expensive to race in.

Class 11 cars were not getting slower. There used to be quite a few Class 11 cars that finished a Baja 1000 in time. But the courses are getting much rougher lately and the Trophy Trucks and Class 1s are tearing the courses up far more than in the past. For example, the 1st Mexican 1000 was won overall by a Meyers Manx with stock VW swingaxle suspension in 27 hours and 38 minutes. Any Class 11 now has much better suspension. And 5-1600s far better. But Art Savedra's own 5-1600 Baja finished this last 1000 in 2nd place in class at 38 hours and change. That does NOT seem like an improvement in the course. But Trophy Trucks don't race on a course that's nearly as rough as what the Class 11 racers see.
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[oldschool5er]

Arts 5/1600 was absolutely a well-run race I enjoyed watching it, I think that class did a whole lot better than C5 and in fact at one point I thought the 1st place 5/1600 was catching the lead C5. C11 had finishes even within the time spot so maybe in their minds the rule changes were the reason. Maybe if they can just keep the class rules where they are.

I know about the conversation with Norman because I had several PM's with the same person about it because of my concern to stop it before it got worse but of course that wasn't going to happen. He was forthright with me and respectful which I appreciated but I felt that even with the course condition it was not about the ability but more about the time limit which Norman was pretty tough on. Even with liberal new rules C11 is not going to be easy to finish when compared to all the other classes by a long shot. It’s always going to be a struggle to carry them across the line in time. The teams need to keep a perspective about why they are racing that class and awards should be given to whoever breaks closest to the finish if no one does.
I wish Norman would just let Vintage and C11 run a day in advance surely SCORE entry fees could swing some support but that’s never going to happen either no money to be made. Like has been suggested to have a C11 page here would be great the problem is most of the heavy hitters won't come on Samba.
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[mr_bill]

contact Fidel.....HE is in charge of the CL11 Coalition site......

[email protected], ........OR...... [email protected],
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[L5wolvesf]

It’s interesting to read some of the history behind C11.

Coming from SCCA I see some classes/groups as being a ladder to work up to higher levels of prep and abilities. When I looked into C11 I saw Class 5/1600 as one potential step up and a seemingly natural progression, especially for VW guys. Somewhat like Showroom Stock to Improved Touring in SCCA. But there is certainly no requirement to move up.

C11 also seems like an almost perfect first step for someone new to the sport because it is a relatively inexpensive prep level, when compared to other classes. As such it would open doors for new guys to start racing – new blood to keep things alive. Making it more expensive closes that door for some people. Is/was there any other reasoning behind the C11 rules changes besides the Baja 1000 thing? While the 1000 is the “big race” changing rules for one race is usually never a good long term idea.

[dustymojave]

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[Gonzaga13]