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| OG Velvet wrote: |
| What’s the nipple on top of the DH shroud for? |
It's for use with a charcoal canister (that you won't use). You can cap it, pinch it closed, or leave it as-is.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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| OG Velvet wrote: |
| I don’t have the exact measurement, but it came off of the same car with the DH stuff and it’s wider than my other one. What size crank pulley should I be looking for? |
Get a measurement, you do no want to find out the hard way that you were comparing 40 HP to 1500 fans, and still need a DH one. Also there were three DH sizes, and for the bus you want the biggest one.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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I have the crank pulley that's 7" (175mm) wide and has the D stamped on the front.
I have the correct DH fan. Painted most of the tin today. I am blasting and painting the remaining bits tomorrow.
I am trying to figure out what case I have. It's an H case with the recycle symbol. What size oil cooler seals do I need assuming I will be buying a new DH oil cooler and adapter?
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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Suggest you pull off the oil cooler and measure. Going by engine case numbers or letter designations can be a big mistake.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:08 am Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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If you are converting to Dog House cooling (highly recommended) - you also need the dog house oil cooler stand off, dog house style oil cooler and 'converter' oil seals - these special oil seals convert your small bore single relief case to fit the DP oil cooler stand off.
The flat thermostat flap operating bar is different SP to DP - make sure you have the correct one... also the one oil cooler stud in the engine case top is strictly speaking is now too small - but I couldnt get mine out of the case without damaging it, but you can just about get a nut on it with a homemade tube spacer collar to make up the pin diameter.
All the above will make a huge difference to the cooling on a SP case. I was amazed at the difference in mine. Well worth the effort.
A H code case is circa 67 single oil relief, Single port case, 1500 with 10mm head studs, no case savers, 8mm oil pump studs. The circle stamp means it's a VW factory re manufactured - but I think you know most of this now. |
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OG Velvet
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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Thank you all!
I just painted all of my new tin. The plan is the drill a hole in the DH front tin for the 67 pre heat hose. I have the grommet. I still have yet to buy the additional engine parts. (just about to drop a chunk of change on interior panels w/ Lenny, so that may have to wait a little bit on that)
Some new brake parts have been ordered so I hope to refresh the brakes next weekend. I am hoping to have this thing driving by the end of February.
Couple more engine questions.
Should I clean out the filter part of my oil bath cleaner? I read the procedure on type2.com. Not sure if it's necessary.
For the right heat exchanger, can I just cut a hole and weld in a piece of tube for the preheat? Should I paint the heat exchangers?
On the intake manifold, is it the height that's the issue? I'm guessing that the proper IM for an SP with governor is shorter? I don't plan on running a governor so should I be fine with the one I have? I am using a 30pict1
Thanks!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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Oil bath air cleaner is self cleaning as long as you keep oil in it and not let the crud in the bottom to fill up too much. At most you need to wipe off the bottom of the filter element.
Oil bath means it is bathed in oil, so filter is constantly cleaned by the oil being sucked up into it.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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| OG Velvet wrote: |
| On the intake manifold, is it the height that's the issue? I'm guessing that the proper IM for an SP with governor is shorter? I don't plan on running a governor so should I be fine with the one I have? I am using a 30pict1 |
I'm not familiar with that intake but yes, the governor manifold is shorter and has a 211 part #.
You should be fine to use any non-211 1500/1600 single port manifold, it bolts up the same.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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| OG Velvet wrote: |
| I don't plan on running a governor so should I be fine with the one I have? I am using a 30pict1 |
It will work. The elbow on top of the carb is closer to the overhead with that manifold and sometimes a tight fit to remove if your engine mounts are new. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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This engine has been in my 67 deluxe for several years. I've had it rebuilt once and it runs great. It originally came out of a 68 bug. Does that mean it's a 1600? The thing I'm most concerned about is the tin. Is this the correct tin for a 67 bus or is this bug tin? Like I said it has run great for a long time, but since I'm restoring the bus, I might as well get the engine correct. Here are some pics.
front view
Should there be a tube from the end of the oil bath to somewhere? I've never had anything.
There is also a hole in the tin that nothing is going through. Should I replace this piece of tin or should something be running though that hole?
Should this be connected to something? There is oil all over the bottom of my engine, I am wondering if this is the source. Also there is a piece of tin here that protects the pushrod tubes. Should there be one on the other side?
Here is the other side
Any help is appriciated.
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Brian |
Been ten years. Thanks to many friends and the people on this forum, I am almost finished with my engine.
I have addressed nearly everything on this list that Clara kindly made in reference to my engine before.
1) a 68 beetle came with a 1500 engine. H case. dunno if that is actually the original motor to a 68 beetle, look up the numbers.
2) the oil bath gets a 1" pre-heat tube. I'm too lazy right now to find a pic. search for 'pre-heat' in the gallery. I've posted some pics
Done
3) the tin is 68 and later for the 2" pre-heat. a 67 bus takes a 1" pre heat.
3.1) If you want to be anally correct you need the 66 1/2-67 bus rear tin with NO pre-heat tube holes. The pre-heat goes forwards and pipes off the heater box.
I do have all of the 67 tin. Since I converted to doghouse though, I used the DH front tin and drilled a hole for the pre-heat.
3.2) this means you need the front tin with the right side pre-heat hole through it. RARE shit to see.
I still have it, I'm saving it for the next engine
3.3) you also need the right side heater box with the spout to feed the pre-heat pipe.
I just made one. I cut a hole in the right side heater box and welded in a 1" tube
3.4) 67 and earlier buses did not have thermostaticaly controlled pre-heat system (too bad, it's a good idea)
3.5)check out the owners manual in the archives for pics, there should be something in there.
4) you also want to change the tin between the crank pulley and case to fit the 67 & earlier 1500 rear tin, or there'll be a nugly gap.
I found the correct tin and it's all there
4) put a breather bootie on the oil breather tube.
Done
5) you have the correct (straight down) oil breather tube
It's still the cheap empi chrome, but I don't really mind. I have added the booty and the grommet for the tin
6) wash that oil engine. gosh!
Done
7) the wire from carb to coil should be black. Black is beautiful. black means 15 - hot when ignition is on. Yawohl!
It will be. My bus is totally rewired
7.1) use the correct electical connectors, not those blue thingies. I buy the ones from Wiring Works.
Yup!
8 ) you are missing the heat riser covers
Not anymore
9) you are missing the left small tin behind the cylinders. looks like the right one is there.
Not anymore!
10) wrong bolt for clamp holding tube to top of carbarettor.
Forgot this one. What does the proper clamp look like?
11) I don't like your generator nut.
Done
12) I don't like your generator pulley. get a German one.
Done
13) braided hose for breather to oil bath.
It's ordered, but not here yet
That pic of an engine somone posted is not a '68 bug, but a early bay bus. Aa '68 bug has a one year only air cleaner. It does have a 2" pre-heat
hope that helps.
Pre-heat is nice. Not just for cold start ups.
I probably missed some stuff.[/quote]
Other things I've added due to suggestions from this thread.
30 pict1 Carb- just rebuilt at volksbitz
Single vacuum advance distributor- thanks to Tasp!
Doghouse conversion- all flaps present
Looking for a reasonable deal on a thermostat. All the parts are present except the actual thermostat.
Domed fuel pump. Bought it at a swap as rebuilt... hope it works...
Kept the same intake manifold. I just blocked off the vacuum tube. Painted it black.
I've learned a ton this winter. I hope it starts!!!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone ID my engine and what it's missing? |
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Looks MUCH better!! 
Need to plug off the fan shroud hose connection that was to the post-1970 carbon fuel vapor canister.
Thanks for the update.
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