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Blasted Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2017 Posts: 67 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Hello,
Has anyone used any of the Fitech fuel systems on their air-cooled engine? would you care to share your experience?
I’m looking into building a turbo/efi set up and I’m hoping to keep the overall package simple and compact. I don’t want to modify the body of the car and I don’t want it to be obvious it has a performance engine. I also don’t want to be pulling it every 5 minutes and having to mess about with tuning. Fit and forget would be great.
One item that has caught my attention is the Fitech Go EFI 4 system. It’s a single body with a self-learning ECU and it would be connected to one of Rodney Adams intake pipes, keeping it all quite similar to an standard set up.
One thing that isnt clear to me is if the system is able to work with a crank fire trigger, is a CF trigger even necessary?
Thanks,
Links to kit
http://fitechefi.com/products/30004/
http://rodneyadamsdesigns.com/products/rad-2-4-barrel-intake-kits/
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jismay Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 219 Location: Norco, CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Lowbugget in California sells a complete kit for this.
http://lowbugget.com/fitech.html
Don't know anything more than what they say, but it looks interesting. I'm just sad it wouldn't likely work on a Type3 due to the manifold, etc. _________________ 1970 Squareback with 1915cc dual 40idf
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ps2375 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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You might do some research about support for any efi system you choose. Nothing worse than to buy a system (big $ or not) and have no support for tuning, or have to pay big $ for someone to even get a base tune on it or have no one close that will even touch it. |
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Dauz Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1790
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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jismay wrote: |
I'm just sad it wouldn't likely work on a Type3 due to the manifold, etc. |
You realize the owner daily drives a fastback with this system? |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Fitech is introducing a 2barrel system that could be adapted to a progressive Weber intake and would be the bees knees for an engine like you have
No Tuning support? LOL This is the 21’s century. Most will tune themselves and just about all come with a hand held interface I think a few are Bluetooth compatible with an android phone |
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Blasted Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2017 Posts: 67 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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@jismay - Thanks, they seem to be using a crank fire in their pictures.
@ps2375 - Last thing I want to be doing is playing about with tuning, I don't find it fun. |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4026 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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jismay wrote: |
Lowbugget in California sells a complete kit for this.
http://lowbugget.com/fitech.html
Don't know anything more than what they say, but it looks interesting. I'm just sad it wouldn't likely work on a Type3 due to the manifold, etc. |
Sure it works........It just fills his whole back trunk with aircleaner, Fitech TB and assorted wiring.
Who needs a trunk...or an engine cover...... _________________
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ps2375 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Blasted wrote: |
@ps2375 - Last thing I want to be doing is playing about with tuning, I don't find it fun. |
If you understand it and have your basics set, it can be fun. When I had MS on my Rabbit, I could/would think of something and adjust every few months. But if the system is not easily understood, I wouldn't waste your time on it. I have no experience with Fitech systems, so I don't know. And yes some can "tune" them selves, but MS had that, and it didn't work so well. Then TunerStudio came along and changed that completely. Dunno what Fitech has. |
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clonebug Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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ps2375 wrote: |
Blasted wrote: |
@ps2375 - Last thing I want to be doing is playing about with tuning, I don't find it fun. |
If you understand it and have your basics set, it can be fun. When I had MS on my Rabbit, I could/would think of something and adjust every few months. But if the system is not easily understood, I wouldn't waste your time on it. I have no experience with Fitech systems, so I don't know. And yes some can "tune" them selves, but MS had that, and it didn't work so well. Then TunerStudio came along and changed that completely. Dunno what Fitech has. |
From what I have read on Fitech it comes setup up for a V-8 in the hp range of the model you buy by default. One model supports 400 hp and another supports 600 hp....there might be others.....
Unless the person you buy it from has changed the default settings to work with an engine that has a 1/4 of the displacement and less than half if not 1/4 the hp...your VW engine is going to run like crap. The 4 barrel 400 hp version comes with four 55 lb./hr injectors if I remember correctly.
It will only self learn to a point. you have to go into the deeper menu and change the defaults to make it work better.
You have to also confirm whether the system you want actually supports ignition control or not because some do and some don't.
You still have to tune it but you don't "need" a laptop.
Do your home work........ _________________
vwracerdave wrote: |
Take a good long look in the mirror and report back on what you see. |
Paul.H wrote: |
That one line on that chart is probably better info than you can get from this place in a month |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936 |
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Dauz Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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clonebug wrote: |
Who needs a trunk...or an engine cover...... |
Why do you keep saying this sarcastically? You don't even have a trunk, or an engine cover, or doors, or a roof.. in the rainiest friccin state in the country.. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3456 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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In a fastback, the trunk is useless anyhow. Converting to upright cooling and turbo/Fi is the best use of that space ever. _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2008 Posts: 1293 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Radesigns I believe resets the defaults to work on our smaller air cooled motors. You’ll pay a little more to purchase from him but I would bet it’s diffinitly worth it. |
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clonebug Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4026 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Dauz wrote: |
clonebug wrote: |
Who needs a trunk...or an engine cover...... |
Why do you keep saying this sarcastically? You don't even have a trunk, or an engine cover, or doors, or a roof.. in the rainiest friccin state in the country.. |
There.....I fixed the sarcasm.......
I sure do have an engine cover........the only part of my engine outside is the alternator pulley. Everything else is covered. _________________
vwracerdave wrote: |
Take a good long look in the mirror and report back on what you see. |
Paul.H wrote: |
That one line on that chart is probably better info than you can get from this place in a month |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936 |
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john5841 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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jismay wrote: |
Lowbugget in California sells a complete kit for this.
http://lowbugget.com/fitech.html
Don't know anything more than what they say, but it looks interesting. I'm just sad it wouldn't likely work on a Type3 due to the manifold, etc. |
STAY AWAY from lowbugget |
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Paul.H Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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Blasted wrote: |
@jismay - Thanks, they seem to be using a crank fire in their pictures.
@ps2375 - Last thing I want to be doing is playing about with tuning, I don't find it fun. |
If you put FI on your engine then you will have to play around with the tune one way or another |
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slg Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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john5841 wrote: |
jismay wrote: |
Lowbugget in California sells a complete kit for this.
http://lowbugget.com/fitech.html
Don't know anything more than what they say, but it looks interesting. I'm just sad it wouldn't likely work on a Type3 due to the manifold, etc. |
STAY AWAY from lowbugget |
any reason why? i was looking into some kind of fuel injection set up, and i have used fitech before on a chevy 350 and ford 302. i was looking at the lowbugget kit cause i cant justify spending the money for a cb preformance kit. is there something wrong with there kit or them that i am missing? |
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veeweeman Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2009 Posts: 940 Location: New Port Richey, FL
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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I would just get Rodney's kit...I spoke with him on the phone a few times and he knows his shit. ..the lowest ci displacement the Fitech will run is 160ci motor. ..what Rodney does is fine tune the settings in the software to work with your engine size. ..this will get your engine running and the more you drive it it will fine tune itself and learn what your engine needs are.
As for lowbugget, I have no comment as I have no experience working with them. ..I belive Rodney has a much better looking intake setup anyways. ..when I finish building my 2442 I will be getting one of Rodney's kits to work with my blow-thru setup. ..I myself have researched the most cost effective way to go efi and the fitech is always the winner! ...nothing else for the money will support 30psi out of the box.
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turbotype1 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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I have installed a few of these systems on customers cars, although on V8's. While they do "self learn" , They do need some fine tweaking to work out some issues.
Go over to www.Chevelle.com
They have abunch of guys on their forum that know how to make these systems sing.... _________________
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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veeweeman wrote: |
I would just get Rodney's kit...I spoke with him on the phone a few times and he knows his shit. ..the lowest ci displacement the Fitech will run is 160ci motor. ..what Rodney does is fine tune the settings in the software to work with your engine size. ..this will get your engine running and the more you drive it it will fine tune itself and learn what your engine needs are.
As for lowbugget, I have no comment as I have no experience working with them. ..I belive Rodney has a much better looking intake setup anyways. ..when I finish building my 2442 I will be getting one of Rodney's kits to work with my blow-thru setup. ..I myself have researched the most cost effective way to go efi and the fitech is always the winner! ...nothing else for the money will support 30psi out of the box.
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VeeWeeman, have you’ve made any move towards getting and installing Fitech yet.? |
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veeweeman Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2009 Posts: 940 Location: New Port Richey, FL
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Fitech Fuel Systems |
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DerrickfromNC1 wrote: |
veeweeman wrote: |
I would just get Rodney's kit...I spoke with him on the phone a few times and he knows his shit. ..the lowest ci displacement the Fitech will run is 160ci motor. ..what Rodney does is fine tune the settings in the software to work with your engine size. ..this will get your engine running and the more you drive it it will fine tune itself and learn what your engine needs are.
As for lowbugget, I have no comment as I have no experience working with them. ..I belive Rodney has a much better looking intake setup anyways. ..when I finish building my 2442 I will be getting one of Rodney's kits to work with my blow-thru setup. ..I myself have researched the most cost effective way to go efi and the fitech is always the winner! ...nothing else for the money will support 30psi out of the box.
VeeWeeman |
VeeWeeman, have you’ve made any move towards getting and installing Fitech yet.? |
Sorry bud...I've since sold my engine to a builder in Australia and switched to a more reliable TDI power plant. ..already turboed, fuel injected and more torque than you can sink 20k into any size air cooled VW engine you can imagine...for around 5k, how about 240HP+ and 400+ft lbs of torque? ...can't do that with any air cooled! ...no ecu to mess with, no worries about destination and the kicker is also better mpg!...a win, win all around! !
Good luck with your efi system _________________ Never be a follower...Do your own thing, make it your own! |
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