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Over9K
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 Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:51 pm Post subject: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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I see in the wheel/tire combo picture thread lots of guys saying they don't run front shocks... why?
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Miklo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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No shocks are mostly ran on narrowed beams mostly 4” or more. However shocks can still be used if wanted... after body mods.
Some believe, including myself, that it leads to a smoother ride when lowered significantly with the beam adjusters.
I’ve driven lowered Vws for 20 years, countless setups...
My ridiculous 8” ball joint beam is shockless and rides fantastic compared to other setups I’ve run.
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hitest
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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When you asked the guys who claim that what did they say?
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Over9K
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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| hitest wrote: |
| When you asked the guys who claim that what did they say? |
Hold on... I'll let you know... |
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Over9K
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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| Miklo wrote: |
No shocks are mostly ran on narrowed beams mostly 4” or more. However shocks can still be used if wanted... after body mods.
Some believe, including myself, that it leads to a smoother ride when lowered significantly with the beam adjusters.
I’ve driven lowered Vws for 20 years, countless setups...
My ridiculous 8” ball joint beam is shockless and rides fantastic compared to other setups I’ve run. |
I gotcha... once narrowed the shock towers no longer clear the body?
I'm running a link pin pan under a dunebuggy body, and I have a hard ride due to the buggy being so much lighter than the beetle body. I'm street-only, so I use the usual buggy tricks to soften the ride, low psi in the tires, keep the tank full, wear heavy shoes...
Saw guys mention no shocks and wonder if that could help me... |
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Miklo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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I don’t recommend removing shocks if the beam is not narrowed or lowered.
Do you know what kind of shocks you are running up front? Post a picture.
I can recommend using original style OIL filled shocks.
A lot of aftermarket shocks are gas filled... added rebound. Leading to a stiff ride for a lightweight front end.
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Over9K
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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| Miklo wrote: |
I don’t recommend removing shocks if the beam is not narrowed or lowered.
Do you know what kind of shocks you are running up front? Post a picture.
I can recommend using original style OIL filled shocks.
A lot of aftermarket shocks are gas filled... added rebound. Leading to a stiff ride for a lightweight front end. |
Yeah, I've got KYB gas shocks up front, put them on a decade ago I think. I'll have a look at oil shocks... thanks. |
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modok
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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Not using shocks can make sense.
With the combination of shortening the springs and substituting some kind of bushings for the roller bearings, they find the front end is very stiff and self dampens with the amount of friction in the system.
I don't really see what the point of all that is, but it's not any conspiracy.
True stories.
I've been working on it for quite a while but there is no silver bullet. one thing I have found is keeping the kingpin angle in the contact patch is important to keeping the suspension free, and so is keeping the ride height in the middle happy range of the travel.
basically, to accommodate your 5 or 5.5 wide wheels, better to space out the link pins than use reduced offset wheels.
Making wheels to fit has always been better than bolt on what I can find, so far. Tires also very difficult to choose. I'm rather at a loss there myself. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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| modok wrote: |
Not using shocks can make sense.
With the combination of shortening the springs and substituting some kind of bushings for the roller bearings, they find the front end is very stiff and self dampens with the amount of friction in the system.
I don't really see what the point of all that is, but it's not any conspiracy.
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Friction shocks were used before hydraulic ones & are now being reproduced so tight improperly sized control arm bushings & link pin bushings would act the same way, at least until they wore.
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Offenhauser-Nostalg...oMQAvD_BwE
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Advantage To No Shocks? |
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| Over9K wrote: |
| BTW, the search function is as useful as a miniskirt on a mailbox. |
Well, I like miniskirts - on the right gal.
Search would be tons better if they could make it go to the correct page of a multi-page thread !!!
Of course, I have NO IDEA how to do that either, I just upgraded to Windows 7.
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