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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Volktales wrote: |
Clatter, I have never commented before, but have been enjoying your build thread for some time. I just have to say that your chrome shop should be well ashamed for sending you back such crappy workmanship. Could they really expect that ANYONE would be satisfied and proud to bolt those parts back on their VW? Really? I hope they make things right for you, or at least refund you for their lame attempt on some of those components... |
I have to agree 100%, and not just for a VW, but for any make of vehicle. You're "paying for a service", it doesn't matter if it's a VW, or a Ferrari, the quality of THAT service should be the same. After all, your dollars are just as green as the next guys. Doesn't anybody put any quality in their work anymore?? I mean it's bad enough that we're dealing with junk replacement parts, now we have to deal with lousy service too??
I know guys that paint cars/trucks that charge the same for whatever they're painting. To them it doesn't matter if it's a bug, or a Trans Am or a full size Dodge van. The quality of the work, the materials used, and the labor charged are the same price. The difference is the amount of each used.
That chroming though, that's kind of the thing that would cause you to buy a set of stainless steel bumpers without a second thought.
At least you're making progress Steve, and that's what counts. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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andybla Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2014 Posts: 630 Location: BE
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Have just been going through your project, keep up the good work!! |
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69 Notchback Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2011 Posts: 714 Location: Bailey Co
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I can't wait to see this car in person!
I have been disappointed with all my parts I have taken to chrome! well my wheels where the best things I have seen come out of a chrome shop as of late. all other parts have hade imperfections as well. I can remember my dad getting things back from chrome when I was a kid and it coming out perfect. not the case anymore.
Keep up the good work my favorite build to date. |
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Chochobeef Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2013 Posts: 811 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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I'm guessing this is stalled out because of other people? You've done some fantastic work, and it is a shame you have to wait on others.
Can't wait to see you start putting it back together with your "shiny" plated pieces of hardware. |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Seat Cover Pain |
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Well thanks for the kind thoughts, guys..
The project does seem to be getting stalled out because of other people, no doubt.
Paying someone to do something,
Then have them do it crappy,
Means you have to pay someone else, and hope for better, or live ith it.
When I'm tying to do a car at this level,
It's not everyone who can get there, dig?
Many just don't have high-quality work as part of their routine.
Here's the latest..
We'll start with the good news...
Ray's Upholstery in Watsonville has always been the old go-to for auto interiors around these parts.
They were usually so busy, that they turned me away a coupla times in the past.
About a month ago, they said it would be a month before they could do my rear seat.
What do you know, a month later they actually did it!
The bottom is tight, with no wrinkles.
I remember Bob, or someone, telling me how the TMI seat covers were too short, and didn't quite reach.
Ray's put some rivets in to anchor the edge, because it seems too small.
Like i said, this thing is tight!
Cool by me..
The rear seat back is pretty nice, too.
The little corner thingies are a bit saggy,
but that could be TMI, or..?
I'm not so anal as to really care too much about this.
Some details.. They used burlap to protect the padding from the springs,
And a bunch of hog-rings.
They got it tight like a drum..
Being a TMI seat cover, it's small, and this top glued edge is looking to peel up.
Since i can't just put it in the car to pin it into place while it sets up,
We'll deal with it as it comes later. No biggie.
Moving on to the front seats;
Now things get a bit uglier...
Steve Brazil did a couple of pieces of furniture (and well) for my old lady.
One of her girlfriends at work dated the guy for a while,
And he did some curtains for my bus a few years ago.
He had my seats forever, but a couple of weeks ago called me (her) with some news.
I thought he was actually working,
but no,
Turns out a mouse got into one of my seat covers when it was sitting there for so long..
He needed another seat cover for material, but, dumb luck, i still had the wrong ones left over from before TMI made me up the correct ones..
Eventually, he got my front seats 'done', and here's what i got...
The bottoms aren't so bad, but, for some reason those wrinkles irk me..
A good thing is that he sent me to get some wire coat hangers to replace the string that goes along the lower welt.
He wasn't able to get the string-filled welt to hold under the spikes.
The hanger wire worked - tip?
Here's where things get worse:
Fucker threw away my OG covers, so now i got no more originals to figure out this stupid area where the trim meets..
I think it's supposed to go straight across right here,
Like this:
That's how it looks like this trim piece is designed.
A couple of pics of OG seats i found seem this way, too..?
Anybody got a pic for me?
So here i sit, pissed off again, looking at my front seat backs...
I mean, they are TMI seat covers after all, so i can't really finger the guy,
But,
Since he threw away my originals, how do i know now what to shoot for?
He must have done it on purpose - destroy the evidence.
Dunno if i should take them to Ray's for a re-do,
Or bring them back to dipshit, because he said he could steam the wrinkles out of them?
It just sucks, he gave them to me like that, and expects to be paid.
And, honestly, i haven't been in all that much of a hurry to do so.
It's going to cost me to have them re-done at Ray's.
Plus the covers I had to use for patch-pieces were supposed to be sold on.
It seems like that set of OG covers he threw away have to be worth something too, right?
I feel like i should bill him what he says i owe him!
After restoring the frames, having them wrinkle powder-coated, waiting years to get the covers made correctly at TMI, then this at the end here now???
Really don't think that the whole seat project can just finish like this...
Anyhow,
Another venting/rant...
Send me a bill! _________________ Bus Motor Build
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W1K1 Samba Member
Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 4921 Location: Southern AB
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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That's a really amateur job on your seats, Fuch me, I would be pissed.
I have done a few sets of the TMI myself and they are never perfect but I have never seen a set of seat front tops not fit properly, unless he over padded the tops so there wasn't enoughmaterial left at the bottoms.
It's no wonder we try to do everything ourselves, rather than be disappointed by others _________________ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/jim_martin_engine_build.php
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Chochobeef Samba Member
Joined: May 01, 2013 Posts: 811 Location: Ft. Worth, Texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Well piss, If that ain't some crappy upholstery work. Hell, I can do better than that and i'm a computer guy.
First off, as soon as he told me a mouse ate through a seat I would have gone over there first thing and snatched my seats up to go home. Then we wouldn't get to see the debacle afterwards. Second, him throwing the old stuff away. I would have asked the customer if they wanted to keep them before tossing things that could be used as templates.
Sorry for your troubles, but I think number 1 fits the bill here. I'd have taken them after the mouse.
Best of luck on getting out of paying full price because I don't think you should with how your stuff was treated and the "quality" of work. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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W1K1 wrote: |
That's a really amateur job on your seats, Fuch me, I would be pissed.
I have done a few sets of the TMI myself and they are never perfect but I have never seen a set of seat front tops not fit properly, unless he over padded the tops so there wasn't enough material left at the bottoms.
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I have to agree here, and I'm not an upholsterer. The guy should be ashamed of himself for letting them go out the door.
I've done a few TMI seat covers before, and the bottoms were always overlapped just like VW did. Now he might have over padded the top, which made the bottom short, but I think he just got lazy. The rear lip with the wire inserted goes on first over the spikes, then the front (with wire inserted) goes on the spikes, and the spikes get bent to hold the front flap in place (folded back). There should be a total of 4 hog rings used to close up the side flap end pieces (2 per side). This is how VW did it, and how I've done every TMI backrest (including hi backs).
On my son's car, we re-used a set of ghia covers and did them the same way and they turned out better than what you got back from that Steve guy.
At this point I don't think even Ray's could fix the seat backs. You might be better off getting another set of front covers and taking them to Ray's. It's going to be at least another month before the body gets back, and the seats will be the last things to go in anyway. I'd also take the rear seat back, back to them and have them rivet that upper strip section. That's the area where it's short on TMI covers (at least on the 4 sets of Notch/Fastback seat covers I've done). Just a heads up on that.
The rear seats came out great, and that little corner area that you don't like, but can live with sits right at the rear arm rest. It might even help when installing the rear seat back. You could try a heat gun on the front lower cushions, but it might make them worse.
I hope this helps. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Volktales Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2013 Posts: 545 Location: Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter, here are some seat pictures for you
These are original seats in a 1969 Notchback. Hope this helps... _________________ 1974 "Restfalia" Camper 2000 cc EFI 2001-
1970 Beetle first car, rotten, yard art 1985-
1966 Sunroof Beetle, restored 1998-
1964 Ghia, ongoing project 2007-
1962 Beetle Beryl,original paint survivor 2012-
1970 Savannah Beige Beetle 2012-
1992 16v GTI, 100% stock 2006-
1991 "Terseo", wife's old daily 1995-
1969 Chevrolet CST/10 (family owned since new)
1965 Gold Corvair Monza 2021-
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Volktales wrote: |
Clatter, here are some seat pictures for you
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Thank You Thank You Thank You..!
After the guy threw away my OG covers, I had NO idea what to even shoot for now.
Restores my faith in people.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Good god brother that upholstery work reminds me of something
Sorry dude. You’ll prevail.
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Xevin wrote: |
Good god brother that upholstery work reminds me of something
Sorry dude. You’ll prevail.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Frankenstein, but that'll work too. It really reminds of the staples the doctor used won my dad's replacement knee. It shared that same look, except the doctor's staples were more evenly consistent.
P.S. The doctor removed his staples after 6 weeks. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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The front seats got dropped off at Ray's along with the pics 'Volktales' so graciously donated.
Doing an initial tear-down, there looks to be some possible remediation to the issues.
At first, it looks like there's no way to thin out the top of the padding;
That the covers simply aren't long enough.
But,
After looking and futzing some more,
The back padding was glued in place kind of 'high up', and can be scooted down.
Hopefully that will make it so the covers can come down, and be attached at the bottom correctly.
Now, I'm off to the chromer, to grab the (hopefully) now-stripped worst pieces of the batch,
So they can (hopefully again) be metal-worked, and smoothed out, enough to be chromed successfully.
Also going to drop off my stripped, and now-crack-repaired SB12 rings to them..
Not that I'm particularly religious,
But,
I feel like fingering prayer beads, or lighting a candle right about now... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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might work for a Type 3 Im
sure you could find this on eBay or any corner store in Santa Cruz
Link
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Clatter wrote: |
The front seats got dropped off at Ray's along with the pics 'Volktales' so graciously donated.
Doing an initial tear-down, there looks to be some possible remediation to the issues.
At first, it looks like there's no way to thin out the top of the padding;
That the covers simply aren't long enough.
But,
After looking and futzing some more,
The back padding was glued in place kind of 'high up', and can be scooted down.
Hopefully that will make it so the covers can come down, and be attached at the bottom correctly.
Now, I'm off to the chromer, to grab the (hopefully) now-stripped worst pieces of the batch,
So they can (hopefully again) be metal-worked, and smoothed out, enough to be chromed successfully.
Also going to drop off my stripped, and now-crack-repaired SB12 rings to them..
Not that I'm particularly religious,
But,
I feel like fingering prayer beads, or lighting a candle right about now... |
Glad to hear there may be hope for your front seats.
I'm not sure you'll be happy with the chrome on the headlight ring though. Those scratches will re-appear. That's the thing about chroming, it's gotta be smooth smooth, and any imperfection WILL be magnified. Same applies with pitted door handles and other "pot metal" parts. any surface bubbles will re-appear. They need to be ground smooth, and have no grind marks or they'll show.
It's kind of the opposite of why car companies installed vinyl tops. Those cars had flaws in their roofs, that would be hidden.
You have to look at chroming like painting a car gloss black. It's gotta be perfect, or it'll show.
Keep up the progress. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Clatter Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Oh, Well...
Comes a point where you have to actually live your life.
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Jason37 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Exactly! The whole point of building a car is to have fun doing it. Rushing and getting stressed out takes all the fun out of it. |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22422 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Jason37 wrote: |
Exactly! The whole point of building a car is to have fun doing it. Rushing and getting stressed out takes all the fun out of it. |
Tell that to a buddy of mine. He wants it perfect like Steve, but as soon as you get past 80% of the way done, he starts rushing and stressing, and giving baseless completion dates. After the 2nd time he did that to me, I told him it'll get done when I'm ready, or he could take it as is and finish it himself (he didn't). Since then, he's laid off that rushing crap, but still pushes to get that last little bit done sooner. I'm like, we'll see. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7544 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Black Fastback Build Thread |
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Well, it's been a while..
Since the Fastback was being no fun,
This thing went and got in the way again..
First, I decided to build a whole new (milder) motor for it.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=692654
Then,
When the cam turned out to be special order 3-4 weeks wait,
The big motor came out and apart.
And whatta ya know... It went back together and back in..
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695053
Anyways, enough about that POS..
The rear suspension stops battle continues..
Visiting Darren, he wants to make new snubber mount posts from scratch on the lathe, because they re so rusted gone.
So they got removed..
Here you can see the 'after', and how rusty those mount posts were.
Also, the countersinking of the wrong holes I drilled in the aluminum tranny mount blocks was done for welding reasons..
Finally, here's a pic of what IRS snubber pads look like stock.
Just for reference..
Despite the 'California' in their name,
Looks like California Push Pull got my cables chopped down just right.
(They're from Chico, so still have some values left?)
Mocked up, and looking good at full droop..
The underneath part, with my chopped down adaptor sleeve is looking right, as well.
So,
Back at it again... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Clatter Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:55 am Post subject: Shifter Assembly |
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After struggle, failure, and re-failure,
I'm due for some fun.
Because the shifter was out in the dirty shop a bunch over the last few years,
it was full of grit..
Cool thing about this Bug@5-speed shifter that i never knew,
Is that even the gate pins are bushed.
Some of the machining marks were showing,
So,
Since it was apart,
It got the things that show smoothed out on the ol' wet/dry.
After everything was cleaned up,
It got moved inside for a proper assembly session.
Cool that you can pack the insides with grease behind the bushings..
The chromer got the shaft right; it was a flat silver before.
They also successfully black-anodized the body/base.
A stock type 3 knob fits on just so.
As soon as i went to start installation,
Another one of my many fuggups showed it's ugly head.
One of those cross-braces i put in there years ago was RIGHT in the way.
How scary to use the angle grinder inside there!?!
Something that i never thought about before showed up at Volks Cafe.
(A moment of silence for the passing of our last local VW speed shop.. RIP)
Anyways, *sniff*..
The dune-buggy shift-rod shortening-kit includes a threaded section for adjustability!
WhooHoo!! Perfect for this project, where the shifter base is mounted without adjustment..
Here shows my many marks from mocking up and ciphering/re-ciphering.
Zap Zap.
Funny moment during fab.
You gotta wonder sometimes..
After getting manhandled for years,
The shift rod needed polished up.
And in she goes!
A few pics, so you can see what all was doing here..
Remember, there is another bushing in the tunnel just in front of the adjuster; two u-joints make this necessary.
The length adjustments are made by spinning the rearmost part at the hockey stick,
Then tightening the lock-nut thru the rearmost hatch.
There is also side-to-side, and throw length adjustment, by screwing the ball at the bottom of the shifter up/down into the socket at the front of the rod.
As a final shot,
The only thing that (might) happen later one day,
is the shaft getting bent to match OG.
Here's a stock type 3 shifter, and it's bend, shown for comparison.
Once the car is together, and getting driven, it would be easy enough to pull the shaft and put a bit o' bend in it.
Didn't want to do that until it was tested In Real Life.. If i live that long.
In the meantime, I'm dry shifting it, adjusting things, and making Vroom Vroom noises!!
Vrooooommmm.. *shift*.. Vrrrooooommmm.. *shift*.. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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