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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

Yarkle wrote:
was the busdepot one the little metal strip one or the one similar to the EIs one i linked (kinda looks like the klassicfab, but grey?)

The little one. I think it is Just Kampers label.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

The installation procedure has a lot to do with the fit.Not to disparage your work,Looks good for DYI,just hope mine turns out so well.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

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The green panels need a LOT of custom fitting. The corners were the worst. [/img]


WHEN i get to it, ive got to tackle this job. Is where youd cut it if you had to do it again? It looks like you just cut out below the belt line and completely replaced it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

The green panel is meant to be welded in along the bulge section, above the belt line. I think the green panel has had good reviews, but sometimes stamping dies can become less precise with wear. I don't know if that has been an issue or not. I used the BD strips. It was a pain in the ass. I would say your panel is way too rusty for this. I think people have used the EIS panel. It's a sucky job either way, even with a perfect replacement panel.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

Myself, I am pretty sure the body dies VW used changed from the early to late bays,especially the nose and windshield area, along with the shape of the windshields, particularly the corners. How that affects the new metal available is a guess. I have always thought the early bays, '68 &' 69 had a more rounded nose than later ones. I maybe wrong, but somehow the nose appear more rounded. I'd be very surprised to hear that the same stamping dies were used for 11 years. Has anyone else noticed this?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

1967250s wrote:
Myself, I am pretty sure the body dies VW used changed from the early to late bays,especially the nose and windshield area, along with the shape of the windshields, particularly the corners. How that affects the new metal available is a guess. I have always thought the early bays, '68 &' 69 had a more rounded nose than later ones. I maybe wrong, but somehow the nose appear more rounded. I'd be very surprised to hear that the same stamping dies were used for 11 years. Has anyone else noticed this?

You are wrong. The skins are interchangeable, but for the turn signal cutout locations.
Windshields are the same part as well.
Maybe the colors make it seem different?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

Yarkle wrote:
Ah..Ok, got it. several vendors are selling the grey EIS one now, so i figured someone here may have bought one.


I used an EIS grey panel. The metal was thick and pretty hard to work with, but overall fit wasn't too bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

If you just want to seal things up until you can do a proper weld job, plumbers use a bright shiney silver tape that's sticky like duct tape but water proof. You can get a roll at Home Depot in the plumbing Dept. It will look like you put a wide strip of chrome under your windshield. Funky, but it will keep out the water. If it's going to be a while before you do the job you might want to encapsulate the exterior rust with POR15 which you can order on line. A starter kit should be enough. But remember that it's still rusting underneath. Have fun!😎
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

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Yarkle wrote:
Ah..Ok, got it. several vendors are selling the grey EIS one now, so i figured someone here may have bought one.


I used an EIS grey panel. The metal was thick and pretty hard to work with, but overall fit wasn't too bad.


if you had to guess (if you you remember) what gauge was it?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

The way i see it you could either drive it the way it is, or run some Gorila tape across it, or bite the bulet, cut it out, weld in the new piece, let it get some surface rust, or just give it some spray patina
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

The basic tools you'll need to do this are a mig welder (don't get a 220 powered welder for 22 gauge sheet metal, it will blow right through) Best bet is to get that on craigslist. Also you'll need a grinder to grind down your welds and a die grinder with a cutoff wheel to cus precisely. You want a mig welder that uses gas (co/argon) as it can be turned waaay down so you don't blow through thin metal. To weld that thin stuff you need a lot of gas flow and a relatively long wire stick-out, that long stick out lowers the amperage going into the weld and makes it cooler. You will 'stitch weld'-do a dot here, move over there do a dot, you don't want it getting too hot. It's a slow boring process but it's really not hard. Best bet is to get a piece of donor metal from another bus. Try the classifieds or Blair and Sons in Arizona. Having an air compressor so you can use air tools is a major plus. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

With regards to the rusty relays:

What I've done in the '78 is drill tiny drain holes in what would be the lower corners of the relay covers. I then used some dielectric grease and smeared the grease all over the terminals to help seal them up a little.

Seems to have helped prevent more/further damage.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

What has not been addressed in this thread (unless I missed it) is the rust that is occurring on the steel sheet under that Swiss cheese. Not cutting this rotted piece out to get down in there and address the rest of the as-yet unseen rusted metal will only give you or someone else much pain later.

Please do it right. And don't get me started about... patina.

From the Samba Gallery... see that inner skin? Yours is rusting away, too. This guy took the time to get in there and get at it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:03 am    Post subject: Re: Below Windshield Rust Repair Reply with quote

This is my thread on my windshield rust repair using the BD part. There are some downsides to doing it this way compared to using the Gerson panel which come up in the thread.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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