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cutter57 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Hi. I actually did a search before posting this. I found a lot about air leakage, but not fluid leakage. I solved my air leakage with a new valve in the valve stem. I have 3 washer bottles, and at least 2 leak fine jets of fluid from the seam where the two halves come together. My current bottle just started leaking recently. I have not been able to find new bottles that are identical, and I do not want to mount one inside the fender, electric or not. I want the original setup, inferior as it is.
My question is this: Has anyone found a way to stop this leakage, using seam sealer or glue? I am trying to find the best, and longest lasting, repair for this. Thanx in advance _________________ the enemy of good is better. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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cutter57 wrote: |
Hi. I actually did a search before posting this. I found a lot about air leakage, but not fluid leakage. I solved my air leakage with a new valve in the valve stem. I have 3 washer bottles, and at least 2 leak fine jets of fluid from the seam where the two halves come together. My current bottle just started leaking recently. I have not been able to find new bottles that are identical, and I do not want to mount one inside the fender, electric or not. I want the original setup, inferior as it is.
My question is this: Has anyone found a way to stop this leakage, using seam sealer or glue? I am trying to find the best, and longest lasting, repair for this. Thanx in advance |
Plastic welding maybe the solution.
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mukluk Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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You're fighting a losing battle against time and aging plastic, eventually it'll become brittle as an eggshell. Your options to stay with the original setup are to use the glue as suggested, but it'll just crack or start leaking in another spot before you know it, find another original that's in better shape but with the knowledge it too will crack in due time, settle for an aftermarket that isn't quite right but functional, or work with somebody to try to make an accurate reproduction. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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rcroane Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2000 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Do you actually use your windshield washer? _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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rcroane wrote: |
Do you actually use your windshield washer? |
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cutter57 Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2004 Posts: 403 Location: SW Washington
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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LOL...yes, mostly when I am behind a vehicle kicking up dirty road water. I don't use my spare tire. I just pump it up to 35 PSI with a bicycle pump, and it has lasted a long time before needing pumped again. I know I could upgrade, but I kinda like the challenge of keeping it as originally done.
So far, I have seen a suggestion of plastic welding, a tempting thought since I'd learn a new skill. Any other ideas? _________________ the enemy of good is better. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31374 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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cutter57 wrote: |
So far, I have seen a suggestion of plastic welding, a tempting thought since I'd learn a new skill. Any other ideas? |
If the reservoir is polyethylene or polypropylene - tough to glue !!! However, Loctite, a sister company of the employer that downsized my sorry a$$ after over 40 years has a product they claim will work on polyethylene or polypropylene. I have not tried it, but Loctite makes good products.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-2g-Plastics-Bonding-System-681925/100371829
I have used "plastic welding" successfully myself, actually I use it at least once a month. I have an inexpensive Harbor Freight plastic welding kit. Hint: wear cloth gloves when using this, and it stays very hot for several minutes after unplugging, so be careful. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Whenever I've seen a washer bottle that "leaks at the seams" - it's history. Don't think it's worth trying to glue it, or melt it, or whatever, back together, and have it last. _________________ Andy T.
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1960vw Samba Member
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 212 Location: tax everything, liberal ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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as a last resort, try using Elmers brush on contact cement. Comes in a brown bottle with brush on glue. Several coats when tacky. |
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glutamodo The Android
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Then when you give it 32PSI for a month or two... and it fails... Sorry not worth the T&E. _________________ Andy T.
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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glutamodo wrote: |
Whenever I've seen a washer bottle that "leaks at the seams" - it's history. Don't think it's worth trying to glue it, or melt it, or whatever, back together, and have it last. |
I tend to agree. The next problem is snapping the bottle back into it's "bay" without reopening the cracks you just mended. _________________
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anthracitedub Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:22 am Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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It would be cool to cleverly hide a smaller resivour and pump inside the bottle by splitting it and make it function discretely. I could probably do this if I didn’t have a million other projects going. |
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1960vw Samba Member
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 212 Location: tax everything, liberal ca
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Remember, what didn't work for others might have worked for some! Is a repair not worth ONE try? How much time is needed to try? Hours upon hours? NOT ! Let's talk minutes here. Just trying to inject a little positive in all of the negatives. |
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bluebus86 Banned
Joined: September 02, 2010 Posts: 11075
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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hitest wrote: |
glutamodo wrote: |
Whenever I've seen a washer bottle that "leaks at the seams" - it's history. Don't think it's worth trying to glue it, or melt it, or whatever, back together, and have it last. |
I tend to agree. The next problem is snapping the bottle back into it's "bay" without reopening the cracks you just mended. |
heating the bottle will make it more flexible and thus help it slip back in place. warm it up, heat lamps or maybe fill with hot water, get it nice and warm prior to install.
Good luck
ps the pressurization may put more stain on it, perhaps fill to a lower pressure if that still works for you. _________________ Help Prevent VW Engine Fires, see this link.....Engine safety wire information
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cutter57 Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2004 Posts: 403 Location: SW Washington
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:49 am Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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thanks for all the tips and advice. I agree with accepting a slightly lower pressure. I will look into the flexseal, but I am leaning toward plastic welding. I plan to reinforce the seam all around if that is the only source of the fluid leak. I have 3 old bottles to work with, so I will check all 3 for leaks. As far as air pressure loss, when I checked them before, the filling valve was the culprit on at least 2 of them, if I recall correctly. I have ordered an inexpensive plastic welding kit and it should arrive by Monday (I am sure I already have other uses for it, too). While waiting, I am going to identify any and all leaks in the 3 bottles and have them ready for repair. After some practice on scrap plastic and then my repair, I will post my results when I am done. _________________ the enemy of good is better. |
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jimdubs Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2016 Posts: 152 Location: Buffalo, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Has anyone tried lining the inside with a resin or inserting some type of bladder to isolate the liquid from the reservoir? |
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EMPIImp69 Samba Member
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AlanInMass54 Samba Member
Joined: August 29, 2003 Posts: 1070 Location: Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Rocky Mountain Motorworks at one time sold a 6V early Beetle windshield washer tank with pump, this was a long time ago of course! Here is an updated version. Electric and no brittle old tank to mess with! http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VWC-111-989-453 |
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nreslifer Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2007 Posts: 330 Location: York Pa.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: windshield washer bottle leaks fluid |
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Be careful how much air you put in it,I brought one last year at a swap meet took it home pumped some air in (don't know how much) and it exploded.Didn't injure me but it scared the hell out of me though. |
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