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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:01 am Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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BarryL wrote: |
Correct order but the seal is in backward. |
It's hard to tell but I don't think it is in backwards.
In any event, the open side needs to face the transmission. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14257 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:11 am Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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nlorntson wrote: |
BarryL wrote: |
Correct order but the seal is in backward. |
It's hard to tell but I don't think it is in backwards.
In any event, the open side needs to face the transmission. |
Ok, yes, the top picture it is in correct but the next photo the ripped part is laying upside down. |
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mllks Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2016 Posts: 15 Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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I've been trying to follow the big nut / small nut / large o-ring conversation but I didn't quite get it. I have my 62 split bus with reduction gear boxes with small nut axle (36mm). I'm going to install a new seal kit for my right rear hub. Do I need to add the large o-ring to it or not? Is it really only for bugs?
Here's a photo of my rgb if it makes answering easier. Thanks!
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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No big O-ring. See page 3 for exploded diagram image. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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Who.Me? Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 2204 Location: UK (South)
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:06 am Post subject: |
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zozo wrote: |
It's NOT a typo. 250 and then some as needed to get the cotter pin hole exposed through the castellations. Do not loosen to line up the cotter pin hole.
Torque it correctly and then check for movement. |
What is the correct torque for the 46mm rear hub nut? I'm finding a range from 216 to 250 ft lb, then tighten until the cotter pin hole is clear. These pages in the Without Guesswork book on OACDP says 217 for the axle nut...
I fitted new drums yesterday. The previous time that I had the drum off, I set the torque to the lower end of that torque range at around 220 foot pounds, but have had a slight weep since that I think is coming from the drain hole (I added some UV oil dye yesterday to trace it).
Could that weep be due to my setting the torque at the lower end of the range?
I haven't put the cotter pin in yet, so I have the opportunity to tighten further, but where did the 250 ft lb specification come from? It differs to the Without Guesswork torque spec.
Edit - reading further in to Without Guesswork, it says 230-253ft lb from chassis 218000001 (the VIN list says this is August 1967 - is that split or bay?)..
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20266 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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August 67 is the start of baywindow production. _________________ nothing |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14257 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Who.Me? wrote: |
Could that weep be due to my setting the torque at the lower end of the range? |
No, something else is wrong. The o-ring on the axle seals at a relatively low torque and the spacer seals against the cover seal lip. The only way out is past the two gaskets or one of the items I mentioned. |
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Who.Me? Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 2204 Location: UK (South)
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: |
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BarryL wrote: |
Who.Me? wrote: |
Could that weep be due to my setting the torque at the lower end of the range? |
No, something else is wrong. The o-ring on the axle seals at a relatively low torque and the spacer seals against the cover seal lip. The only way out is past the two gaskets or one of the items I mentioned. |
Thanks. I'll double check with the UV dye that it's definitely weeping from the hole. If it is, I'll re-do that side. I have some spare seal kits but was hoping to avoid getting covered in transmission oil and axle grease again. _________________ Andy
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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Let's have a look at the bearing cap you are using, and a closer look at the junction of the bearing where it meets the outer RGB box.
I wonder if you have a mis-matched cap and RGB cover. |
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Who.Me? Samba Member
Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 2204 Location: UK (South)
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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These are from a couple of years ago. Had a leak inside the drum on that side when I got the truck, so I changed the seal. I had to do the seal again after the gearbox went off for rebuilding last spring. The leak appeared then. It barely drips, but oil collects on the very bottom of the RGB just above the brake line and hangs there until I wipe it off.
(I think the carrier is upside down in that photo, I was just taking a picture to show the 'tophat' spacer.)
It's an H-coded box.
RGB codes...
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:50 am Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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swiss_bulli Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2017 Posts: 123 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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I‘m just rebuilding my rear axles and I‘m not sure, if this spacer needs to be replaced. Do you think that it is still usable?
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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That groove in the spacer is where it wears. You can try polishing it out, but I would replace it |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24732 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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chrisflstf wrote: |
That groove in the spacer is where it wears. You can try polishing it out, but I would replace it |
Agreed, though you might need to have it plated and polished. Finding good used ones is just going to get harder and harder.... _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: San Diego
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Bruce Amacker Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2007 Posts: 1786 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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chrisflstf Samba Member
Joined: February 10, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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Yes I polished my WW ones also. Cotton wheel and some rouge. Came out like glass |
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swiss_bulli Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2017 Posts: 123 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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Thank you! I just ordered the WW ones. I tried to polish mine first, but they are lightly pitted in the center. The WW spacers will be polished too as I thought, they’re looking somehow wrong on the product page . _________________ Recent pics from my SO-42 rebuild: https://www.instagram.com/anni_vintage_bus/ |
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swiss_bulli Samba Member
Joined: February 17, 2017 Posts: 123 Location: Switzerland
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14257 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO: Install rear axle seal kit |
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Can you show the two profiles side-by-side. Nice score btw. Best peace of mind is knowing the seal is not going to leak for a long time. |
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