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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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Could anyone confirm or not if the cylinder engine tin from a fuel injected engine with its different outer shape where it meets the sides of the engine bay will fit on a non fuel injected engine?
I have a 1971 engine, but its in a 75 car which has the fuel injected engine bay shape which curves out at both sides rather than the standard straight edges of all pre-75 carburetor engines.
Absolutely nobody seems to make this shape of engine tin aftermarket and without it there are big gaps between the edge of the earlier incorrect fitting tin and the engine bay seal.
I see a few examples online of second hand fuel injected tin for quite a lot of money so want to know first if they'll definitely fit or if something will prevent it. Also, would later Mexican beetles have the same tin? I assume they were fuel injected? Though even if that would work, I haven't been able to find an online source of Mexican parts as I don't speak Spanish and English searches are yielding nothing.
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch
Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7800 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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yes it should fit you might have to seal a hole or two
a quick search shows the Mexican tin is different than German where it meets in the front corners
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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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Thanks Rick.
Is that engine bay seal the standard one for the 75-79 model? I've ordered a replacement as the one on mine is completely disintegrated but that one in your photo looks nice and big to cover any small gaps around the edge.
It was also suggested to me by enthusiasts back home in England that I could use a Bay Window camper engine bay seal that is apparently quite hefty and made out of foam?
Either way I've ordered a new seal the other day so should have it by next week.
I bought the car at the end of last summer and am only just getting around to sorting it out now after a long Canadian winter lay up and with all the wrong or missing parts in the engine bay you could see more road than anything else. The engine is out now so its the time to get it done. |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
Joined: December 31, 2011 Posts: 3538 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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I used the foam seal on my 78. Very easy to install. I couldn't get the rubber seal to fit. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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Instead of changing the tin (it fits, sort of...) consider adding sheet metal "ears" to what you have now, I've done a couple and just attached it using the screws near the spark plug holes. If you are handy with pliers you can turn the edge like the OG tin, but even a flat sheet of 20ga will fill the gap. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Instead of changing the tin (it fits, sort of...) consider adding sheet metal "ears" to what you have now, I've done a couple and just attached it using the screws near the spark plug holes. If you are handy with pliers you can turn the edge like the OG tin, but even a flat sheet of 20ga will fill the gap. |
That's not a bad idea at all. I might as well give that a go before forking out for the best part of a hundred bucks including postage for something that may well be in worse condition than the incorrect tin I have now. |
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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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Dwayne1m wrote: |
I used the foam seal on my 78. Very easy to install. I couldn't get the rubber seal to fit. |
Already ordered the 75-79 rubber seal so hopefully I can get it in but if not its good to know the foam seal is another option. Thanks! |
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390nellie Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2017 Posts: 138 Location: Westfield Massachusetts
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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What vender sells the foam seals? |
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
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390nellie Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:10 am Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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How about the firewall seal? Do they make a foam seal for the firewall or must I use a rubber one? |
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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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I may end up having to go down the foam route regardless because yesterday as I was removing the old one, it became apparent that a section of the groove that the seal slots in to has perished on the right hand side of the engine bay for about 8 inches and I don't think there will be enough left to get the new seal in to.
From What I understand with the foam seal is that you fit it on to the edges of your engine in rather than in to the groove and can be done with the engine in, in fact it probably has to be done with the engine in, not sure.
Not sure about the firewall part. I haven't take the old one out of there yet and I'm hoping that it'll be ok to fit the replacement rubber one in but if not I'll try the foam there too. I don't think they do a special one for there, but perhaps there's enough in the roll that you get to do the whole thing? Not really sure how you'd fit the foam seal in there though with the engine in as there will be zero access with the fan shroud in the way and if you had to put it in before the engine went back in, no idea if/how you'd secure it in place because obviously it wouldn't slot in to the grooves where the original rubber one goes in. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:19 am Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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Yes, the bus foam seal is installed with the engine in. They work really well on T1-based cars too, and a few people here have many thousands of miles on theirs. One seal should be enough to do a bug and a half, so experimenting with a few inches of the seal is fine. Shiny/smooth side down.
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robinhood_1984 Samba Member
Joined: October 03, 2017 Posts: 18 Location: Woodstock, NB Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Fuel injection type engine cooling tin. |
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asiab3 wrote: |
Yes, the bus foam seal is installed with the engine in. They work really well on T1-based cars too, and a few people here have many thousands of miles on theirs. One seal should be enough to do a bug and a half, so experimenting with a few inches of the seal is fine. Shiny/smooth side down.
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Thanks,
It'll certainly be my back up plan then if I can't get the rubber seal I've ordered to fit in / attach due to that broken bit of grooving on one side. |
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