Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Forum Index -> Beetle - 1958-1967 Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Dancing Dancing Dancing Dancing

I am here wearing my party hat. I may not be in the clear yet, but I have made great progress.

After attempting a couple of different ways of getting this bolt out, the method suggested by Sharp64 was what the doctor ordered. Thank you Bryan!!

I tried the transfer punch method, made the divot, but the drill bit kept wondering. Tried punching it a number of times, but I was all over the place when it came to drilling.

I tried getting the vice grips on the back side of the bolt, on the little bit of bolt that was poking through. It certainly turned that way. Wasn't hard at all. But I kept slipping off the end and eventually rounded the bolt off making it impossible to grab on to.

So out came the Dremel tool. Made a slot big enough for my flat head screwdriver and it started turning. After 4-5 turns it came to a quick stop. So I screwed it back in, then back out hoping to break it free. I think the marred threads inside and the torn bolt was causing the hang up. SO, I screwed it out the back as far as I could and I grabbed it with the vice grips again. IT came right out.

So I grabbed one of the other bolts that were in good shape and I very lightly screwed it in to the hole where this broken bolt was to see how far it would go in, it didn't make it 2 turns before it stopped. So I cleaned the hole out with cleaner, and that's where it sits.

so now, do I run a tap in to it to re-thread or what are the next steps? I do have new OE bolts coming in within the next day or two, but I tend to think there is no fixing this to be able to use these OE bolts. Thanks for the help everyone, on to the next issue Smile

oh, and the drivers side rear all torqued to 30 with no problems Smile
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Cusser
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 31266
Location: Hot Arizona
Cusser is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

crankbait09 wrote:
so now, do I run a tap in to it to re-thread or what are the next steps? I do have new OE bolts coming in within the next day or two, but I tend to think there is no fixing this to be able to use these OE bolts. Thanks for the help everyone, on to the next issue Smile


Yes, I would.


EVfun wrote:
Any light oil will work, olive oil if you want.

Not this one
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Sharp64 Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: August 27, 2015
Posts: 5305
Location: Central Florida
Sharp64 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

crankbait09 wrote:


So out came the Dremel tool. Made a slot big enough for my flat head screwdriver and it started turning. After 4-5 turns it came to a quick stop. So I screwed it back in, then back out hoping to break it free. I think the marred threads inside and the torn bolt was causing the hang up. SO, I screwed it out the back as far as I could and I grabbed it with the vice grips again. IT came right out.



Jus so we’re clear here...my overthought, silly idea worked when the advise of the Wizard of The Samba’s didn’t? I’m aghast!!!

Glad it worked out Shaun. You’re doing great. Keep it up!
_________________
1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

that made me laugh.........

so as for this re-tap. If I stick with the thread pitch, and bolt size that should be in there, how will I know if a bolt increase is needed? I have never used a tap set before. I get it though, it looks real easy, nothing im worried about, but I don't know how re-tapping a jacked up hole will keep the existing bolt size.

I assume, if the bolt screws in, and it wobbles a tad, then I need to re-tap to the next bolt size up? Am I overthinking again?

Are taps strong enough to where I could trust a "rental" from a local parts store? Or should I buy my own set? They arn't exactly cheap, so trying to take care of this one hole for now before I invest in my own set
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Sharp64 Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: August 27, 2015
Posts: 5305
Location: Central Florida
Sharp64 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Long term you’ll use a tap and die set. Maybe look for just a metric one. Rental is fine for now. Honestly, I’ll bet with a new bolt you’ll be able to run it through without a tap.

If there is any rust on the threads you may want to grab a can of PB Blaster Penetrating oil. It helps cut through corrosion.
_________________
1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Sharp64 wrote:
Long term you’ll use a tap and die set. Maybe look for just a metric one. Rental is fine for now. Honestly, I’ll bet with a new bolt you’ll be able to run it through without a tap.

If there is any rust on the threads you may want to grab a can of PB Blaster Penetrating oil. It helps cut through corrosion.


I used the other bolt and couldn't get through, if that matters.
I did use cleaner, as well as PB blaster, but I still got hung up. I couldn't see what was binding up, but obviously it didn't have clean threads. I saw no rust though.
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
chrisflstf
Samba Member


Joined: February 10, 2004
Posts: 3412
Location: San Diego
chrisflstf is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

You only need 1 tap and maybe a handle. Do you have all the bolt pieces now? If so, just run a tap thru it. Test it with a torque wrench. If it doesnt hold, use a longer bolt, nut. You would need to run the tap all the way thru, since there is probably crap in there. Some oil on the tap, run it thru, blow it out and run it again, with oil. Just make sure you hold the tap straight, most important
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

short of me taking a bolt to a store and searching for the right thread pitch, and size.......does anyone know what the specifications are on these bolts? So I know what tap to make sure I get
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

chrisflstf wrote:
You only need 1 tap and maybe a handle. Do you have all the bolt pieces now? If so, just run a tap thru it. Test it with a torque wrench. If it doesnt hold, use a longer bolt, nut. You would need to run the tap all the way thru, since there is probably crap in there. Some oil on the tap, run it thru, blow it out and run it again, with oil. Just make sure you hold the tap straight, most important


Are you asking if I have all the broken pieces out of the hole now? If so, then yes, I do. The hole is clear
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Sharp64 Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: August 27, 2015
Posts: 5305
Location: Central Florida
Sharp64 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Take a bolt with you to Ace Hardware. Not one of the big box stores. They will be able to tell you what the threads and pitch are and hopefully have the correct tap.
_________________
1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

alright.
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
chrisflstf
Samba Member


Joined: February 10, 2004
Posts: 3412
Location: San Diego
chrisflstf is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Those bolts are special, wait for your OE ones. I believe they are 10 mm x 1.5 mm, but they have a 14 mm hex head, low profile. Check yours
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Cusser
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 31266
Location: Hot Arizona
Cusser is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

I think you'll be fine running an oiled tap through there, work back and forth.

My metric tap and die set is an inexpensive one, like from Harbor Freight. I recently used it to help a Samba member "save" his generator.
_________________
1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
67rustavenger Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: February 24, 2015
Posts: 9663
Location: Oregon
67rustavenger is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

Cusser wrote:
I think you'll be fine running an oiled tap through there, work back and forth.

My metric tap and die set is an inexpensive one, like from Harbor Freight. I recently used it to help a Samba member "save" his generator.

X2. I have both SAE and Metric tap and die sets from HF. They serve my needs.
I used one tap to clear and freshen up the case savers on my most recent engine build. The head studs were notchy when threading them into the case savers. I ran the tap through and wallah. The studs glided right in smoothly after chasing the stud threads too.

Any fastener that seams to need a little thread clean up gets the tap or the die with a little oil added to help lube things up.

Good Luck.
_________________
I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!

There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

I am officially out of the woods!
Took the new bolt to Ace Hardware the other day to find the thread pitch so I knew what tap/die to get.

I needed two different taps, but since one was a rare size I had a hard time finding them in the same kit. I didn't really wanna spend between 5-10 bucks for one tap. So I said, hell with it, and I decided to go to HF and buy the kit that had both sizes I needed in one kit. $15 for the kit.

After cleaning the rear wheel bearing cover bolt hole out, I proceeded to tap it. That HF tap made quick work of it, and the new bolt screwed in perfectly. Cover bolt torqued in place, and all was happy! I also re-threaded the shock mounting bolt. After I did that, the nut screwed on very smooth. Torques them puppies down, and all was happy there, too. $15 dollar kit served me well

thanks so much for the help.

On to my next issues.........
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
67rustavenger Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: February 24, 2015
Posts: 9663
Location: Oregon
67rustavenger is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

See told ya!
Great job. You'll use those taps on every job that has a stubborn thread fit.

Have a great weekend!

Edit: I used one of my HF taps to clean up a rusty tin screw hole tonight. They work for the home jobber. Just don't push them to the breaking point.
_________________
I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!

There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
glutamodo Premium Member
The Android


Joined: July 13, 2004
Posts: 26297
Location: Douglas, WY
glutamodo is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

I did feel a little bad that my instructing you to torque that in the 40-47 range but I've done this myself for years and never had a problem. (and yes I quoted the 65 book, as many people have upgraded their bearing cover to that style, I know I did like 20 years ago on my 62, but I did mention that VW's 1964 Spanish-language version of that book, which would be for the 64/older style, also says 5.5-6.5 mkg (40-47 foot pounds, even if it has a glaring typo where it states 40-70 Shocked )

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Stock 10 grade bolts should be good for over 50 pound feet of torque. I said it above but I've seen it where backing plate or bearing cover bolts were not tight enough, and every time you stopped and changed directions and stopped again, the backing plate would shift, with the bolts being the "stops" for this undesired movement. After enough of that it can damage or weaken the bolt, and I suspect this is what caused this failure.
_________________
Andy T.


IMAGE NOTE: It has been noted that Chrome based browsers may have issues in displaying my vast image library, which use non-secure links and are on an FTP server. Images should still be viewable if the link is clicked though.
I do not know how to fix this. All I can say is it all works fine for me with what I use, Firefox.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
crankbait09
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2016
Posts: 1297
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
crankbait09 is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

It's all good. No worries. I learned something new and it turned out well.
_________________
1963 Ragtop
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Cusser
Samba Member


Joined: October 02, 2006
Posts: 31266
Location: Hot Arizona
Cusser is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
See told ya!
Great job. You'll use those taps


Yep, it seems that every year I find a few uses for my inexpensive tap/die kit !!!
_________________
1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
arizonabuckeye
Samba Member


Joined: November 10, 2013
Posts: 544
Location: SLC
arizonabuckeye is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: uh oh, I got a rear wheel bearing cover problem Reply with quote

crankbait09 wrote:
I am officially out of the woods!
Took the new bolt to Ace Hardware the other day to find the thread pitch so I knew what tap/die to get.

I needed two different taps, but since one was a rare size I had a hard time finding them in the same kit. I didn't really wanna spend between 5-10 bucks for one tap. So I said, hell with it, and I decided to go to HF and buy the kit that had both sizes I needed in one kit. $15 for the kit.

After cleaning the rear wheel bearing cover bolt hole out, I proceeded to tap it. That HF tap made quick work of it, and the new bolt screwed in perfectly. Cover bolt torqued in place, and all was happy! I also re-threaded the shock mounting bolt. After I did that, the nut screwed on very smooth. Torques them puppies down, and all was happy there, too. $15 dollar kit served me well

thanks so much for the help.

On to my next issues.........


I took the other approach - after buying a cheapo HF set that literally fell apart in my hands - I went and bought a decent handle (~$20) and have been buying the taps and dies when needed. Now I have a small collection of quality taps/dies - strange enough after buying three sets or so I seem to just be reusing those.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - 1958-1967 All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 5 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.