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Whaanga Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 630 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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I wanted to add a little more information:
Per the extra pedal travel I'm experiencing, this happens when coming to a stop for example in my driveway or in a parking lot - where the speed is quite slow. If I apply the brakes once, I have normal pedal travel with the proper resistance and amount of help from the servo - but if I release the pedal and then apply it again right away, the pedal will travel further. The brakes are activated in this case but if I release the pedal and reapply, it almost always has less travel.
Not sure what this means, but this is what tends to happen.
Any thoughts/insight would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Difficult to nail down an exact cause for that, floatie bits in the brake fluid or a slightly torn seal in the master where the dangly bit gets caught under a valve surface might be to blame. A thorough brake fluid flush is always a good idea, it likely won't make it worse. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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- but if I release the pedal and then apply it again right away, the pedal will travel further.
This seams like the booster is working more. Applying more vacuum or atmospheric pressure thus further pedal travel.
Maybe you have a problem with the booster valve, or a clogged booster vent.
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Disconnect the booster and see if it still occurs. Be aware stopping the vehicle is going to require much more brake pedal force.
Problem goes away, brake servo is at fault.
Problem does not go away, I would be looking at the rear brake adjustment. Or for warped rotors up front. |
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Whaanga Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 630 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Thanks Tcash. Pardon my newbie question but how do I unhook the servo? Do I just disconnect the vacuum line? Or something else?
Thank You _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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Tcash Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2011 Posts: 12844 Location: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Disconnect the Vacuum line and plug it. |
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Whaanga Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 630 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Following up from my post last fall, I bought a used servo from the classifieds thinking that I could harvest the serviceable parts listed in the Bently.
I worked to remove the hard plastic air connection, rubber boot, filter and damping ring but could not separate the hard plastic air connection or rubber boot. Does this disassemble or is it a 'sealed' unit that cannot be transferred to another servo? OR can I test this servo and install if it still holds a vacuum?
Thanks, Jeff
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Amskeptic Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2002 Posts: 8568 Location: All Across The Country
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Whaanga wrote: |
I worked to remove the hard plastic air connection, rubber boot, filter and damping ring but could not separate the hard plastic air connection or rubber boot. Does this disassemble or is it a 'sealed' unit that cannot be transferred to another servo? OR can I test this servo and install if it still holds a vacuum?
Thanks, Jeff
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There is a circlip on the pushrod that you must remove, then it all comes apart easily. It is the piece just ahead of the hard plastic in your photograph.
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Whaanga Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 630 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:36 am Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Thanks Colin -
I removed both that circlip and the small retaining ring on the bellows and could not get things to open up. The plastic air vent will rotate and the nut will turn but neither will release. When I turn the nut I hear a sound coming from the large spring in servo itself
Maybe some penetrating oil or carb cleaner sprayed might loosen things up?
Or am I missing something else? _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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kreemoweet Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2008 Posts: 3899 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:40 am Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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The metal shaft has an o-ring that holds the plastic air connection quite firmly. If you hold the shaft with a vice/tool and then rotate while pulling the plastic piece, it should
come off. A little silicone grease on the o-ring will probably make the job easier next time.
But really, are you sure these parts will work with your existing booster? You might have to remove the shaft end also (it appears to be fastened on with a roll pin according to
the diagram below). But then you'll need the proper bus connecting rod also. It never ends, eh?
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Whaanga Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: brakes/servo/vacuum |
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Thanks Kreemoweet -
No, I'm not totally sure the parts will transfer from one to another but per the advise here plus plenty of study and reading, I 'think' they'll swap out. I won't know until I dig into things.
Yes, it never ends but that's part of the AC journey.
Jeff _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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