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CLKWRK
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Kar_Man
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Here’s how a professional does it.
If this is a liner replacement in an old car, it is very important to make sure to clean all the window sealant and old glue from all the edges that the lining will be glued to.
Cut material for the front A and rear C pillars and brush them with 3M contact cement, and coat the pillars. Working with the first piece you glued, position them on the pillar and secure in place repeat on the other 3 pillars making sure they are at the beginning of the top corner on the pillar and remove excess waste material with a new box cutter blade.
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If you are completing a full restoration, I would suggest you leave the side rails off until you have the door glass fitted into the door this way you can draw a mark where the glass is when the door is shut and position the seal channels accordingly.
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Just followed this last week and it worked great, thanks!
I didn't like the feel of the water based contact cement and the good ol' yellow 3M ten bond bled through the perforations so I called in a favor at an a upholstery shop and got some really good glue. I could make lots of adjustments and it held great. |
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west coast ghia
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| ill be doing mine real soon ill post up with pics |
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Desertair27
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| Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: Sound deadening |
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I know this is an old thread but was wondering what kind of insulation or sound deadening material do you guys recommend.
Mike |
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John Moxon 
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Desertair27
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Thanks for the help John.
I just ordered some B quiet.
Mike |
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kdcaul
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Hi All,
Have temporarly fitted the main headliner piece and the two front pillars but having difficulty fitting the rear pillars,especially at the bottom as the material wraps around to fit into the parcel shelf.Do you do releif cuts there?If so where?
Thanks for all the help to this point.
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kiwighia68
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Hi All,
Have temporarly fitted the main headliner piece and the two front pillars but having difficulty fitting the rear pillars,especially at the bottom as the material wraps around to fit into the parcel shelf.Do you do releif cuts there?If so where?
Thanks for all the help to this point.
Kevin |
Well Kevin, my wife and I struggled (more like fought) with those rear pillars all day today and in the end decided to give it a rest. I'm going to try again tomorrow. It's a devil of a fit, and I would love to see how you decide to do it.
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kdcaul
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Hi Kiwighia68,
I also decided to step away for a few days and will go back this weekend.
So,no progress made;also had the wife help me and we are still together.
If you made progress,please post
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kiwighia68
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Hi Kiwighia68, I also decided to step away for a few days and will go back this weekend. So,no progress made;also had the wife help me and we are still together. If you made progress,please post
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Kevin |
I'll do my best to finish the job on Monday. One pillar at a time, starting at the front. I'll post some pics unless the job gets the better of me!
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kiwighia68
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Hi Kiwighia68...If you made progress,please post
Thanks,
Kevin |
Hi Kevin, I've posted some photos on my thread, Saving Emiko, if you're still interested.
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hazmatty3614
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I am installing my TMI headliner and the problem is that I cannot pull it tight side to side along the rear window.
I only trimmed the bow pockets enough for the ends of the bows to stick out.
It looks like everyone else trims their bow pockets back about 3" from each side, which would make it easier to stretch sideways.
What is the
"correct" amount of trimming of the bow pockets? |
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Figment
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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I found this thread while searching for an answer to that same question..,
What is the correct amount to trim-back the bow pockets?
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hazmatty3614
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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| I ended up trimming about a foot from the edges in. |
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Redlabel6
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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I know this is old, but does anyone know how much of the bow pockets needs to be cut away? Maybe a better question is how wide should the pocket be? I don't have an original that I can measure from.
thanks!
d
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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I know this is old, but does anyone know how much of the bow pockets needs to be cut away? Maybe a better question is how wide should the pocket be? I don't have an original that I can measure from.
thanks!
d |
IIRC the pocket is the spans nearly the width of the roof measured from the interior.
Here's a bad picture I took during my headliner install. You can see the end of the pocket right at where the headliner material is hanging down.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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I know this is old, but does anyone know how much of the bow pockets needs to be cut away? Maybe a better question is how wide should the pocket be? I don't have an original that I can measure from.
thanks!
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It’s a variable. Depends on the stretch. They are usually sewn way too wide which causes the fabric to bunch up on the sides. To relive it you have to carefully trim back the pockets until the fabric can actually hang with our bunching up or wrinkling. Use office clips to attach it to the gutter to fit it.
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Redlabel6
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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Yes, the pocket goes full width across it. I wish I had my original to measure and give myself a starting point. I cut the first one I installed back too far.
No one would have noticed except me!
I'll measure across the roof to use as a starting point.
Thanks!
d
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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I just did my headliner a last fall. I don't think you can definitively say "you need X amount cut away". Like Braukuche said, it'll depend on how much the headliner has to stretch to get all the wrinkles out.
Start with the pockets cut enough so that you can hang the headliner. Then from there start stretching it out, holding it in place with office clips. Basically keep trimming away 1/4" or so of the pockets at a time until you can get it to stretch fully without any bunching. It's alot of removing and reattaching the clips over and over until you get it right.
Here's an "in progress" shot with only clips holding it, no glue. I still needed to trim a bit away from the pockets here. The bunching in the outer corners will be unavoidable until you start making relief cuts there
And then here it is fully stretched and glued in
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Headliner now installed with pics |
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Yep, fit and cut, fit and cut, fit and cut…small cuts. You have to be super patient when doing headliners. And have good high temp adhesive.
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