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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

So, I've been wanting to replace my faded and weathered red valve covers that came with my GW2.5L 60k miles ago. I've got a nice new pair, all painted up to perfection, with new bails and cork gaskets glued in with Gasgacinch, just like 10c recommends here https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=238535 .

Question is, do I risk replacing valve covers that are not leaking and have never leaked for 60k miles for some new ones for vanity?? I do see some very minor seepage along the top of the valve covers, but nothing that causes a drip or anything remotely close to a drip.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

What's the risk?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Leaks. But I think I've prepared everything perfectly. If something can go wrong, it might. Right? Am I just being paranoid?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Leaks are such a minor bother you might as well do it.

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...If something can go wrong, it might. Right? Am I just being paranoid?


I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

But I have a perfect track record. No leaks in 60k miles. VC used to say it was one of the driest WBX's they'd seen.

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Leaks are such a minor bother you might as well do it.

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...If something can go wrong, it might. Right? Am I just being paranoid?


I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

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But I have a perfect track record. No leaks in 60k miles. VC used to say it was one of the driest WBX's they'd seen.


Times are changing. VC moved and you should do something to fix all that dryness. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Type 1 owners pop their valve covers every few thousand miles to adjust their valves, sure they sometimes end up with a leak, but if done properly the chances are low.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Who really sees or even tries to see your Valve Covers?

If it bothers you, paint them in place for now.

Honestly I vote for LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Has anyone ever used the bolt-on valve covers like these? http://chircoestore.com/aluminum-bolt-on-valve-covers-pair-for-air-cooled-vw-engines.html. I believe the heads of the Type 1 Air cooled are the same as that for the WBX.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

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Has anyone ever used the bolt-on valve covers like these? http://chircoestore.com/aluminum-bolt-on-valve-covers-pair-for-air-cooled-vw-engines.html. I believe the heads of the Type 1 Air cooled are the same as that for the WBX.


Go to the Beetle forums, you won't find a lot of love for them.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Any recommendations for a good bearing grease to use on the cork gasket?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Is bearing grease the goop of choice? I have always used Hylomar.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

For the record, I'm talking about what to put on the cork gasket that will press up against the head. I've heard bearing/axle grease, 20W-50 oil.... I've already used Gasgacinch to mate it with the cover.

Apparently, bearing grease will help keep the cork gasket from drying out. I've heard Hylomar recommended here, too, what is it?

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Is bearing grease the goop of choice? I have always used Hylomar.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

I have popped my 80 valve covers off 3 times in its short life of 700 miles, and i haven't changed the gaskets, and they don't leak one little bit
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Not sure how that contributes to the discussion.

I just want to do it once and do it right so I get another 60k miles of leak-free operation.

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I have popped my 80 valve covers off 3 times in its short life of 700 miles, and i haven't changed the gaskets, and they don't leak one little bit

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

yeah good for you.
I've had 2 separate vans suck in the lower edge of the gasket and spew most of it's oil out on the back hatch in a matter of minutes...
now neither of these were set by me, I was the new owner to each van and well there's a 'get acquainted' period with any new adoption.
IMO one should ALWAYS carry a spare gasket in the 'spares kit' along with a waterpump belt.
it's extremely frigging annoying while in the middle of a roadtrip. without the resources to fix it.

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I have popped my 80 valve covers off 3 times in its short life of 700 miles, and i haven't changed the gaskets, and they don't leak one little bit

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

I say go for it. My main thought process is that you're a highly competent wrench (almost said wench) and if it started to drip you would figure it out and we'd all have a good laugh at your expense (after a subdued period while you solved it). A win/win if ever there was one!! And in my version of your future, you will have a pair of blingy valve covers to stare lovingly at when you're doing oil changes.

On the cork, I would actually finger some ordinary motor oil on them before installing them. Grease is just oil with thickeners and the actual lubrication film is handled by the oil in the grease. So if the function of grease is to deliver oil slowly into the cork, then why not get it over with on day 1 and have it uniformly "moistened" against drying?

Anyhow, get those blingy devils on there!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

Thanks for the "just f'ing do it' motivation! Well received!

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I say go for it. My main thought process is that you're a highly competent wrench (almost said wench) and if it started to drip you would figure it out and we'd all have a good laugh at your expense (after a subdued period while you solved it). A win/win if ever there was one!! And in my version of your future, you will have a pair of blingy valve covers to stare lovingly at when you're doing oil changes.

On the cork, I would actually finger some ordinary motor oil on them before installing them. Grease is just oil with thickeners and the actual lubrication film is handled by the oil in the grease. So if the function of grease is to deliver oil slowly into the cork, then why not get it over with on day 1 and have it uniformly "moistened" against drying?

Anyhow, get those blingy devils on there!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: If it ain't broken........valve cover bling. Reply with quote

I was hoping you'd like that! I think it was worth explaining my motives for full disclosure and to appeal to a kindred spirit.

Now I need you to encourage me to "just go for it" with 600 grit and part of a leftover hardwood banister to knock a bit of rust out of the cylinders of the '88 Supra we're working on before I hone them and re-ring. Sat 18 years. Seems sacreligious but talk to someone in their 70s who has done things like new babbit bearings in a car and then dragged it down the street to turn the engine over with great results, and you'll have no more fear.
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