Please help identify

[Randallp]

Hello everyone. I recently bought a buggy. The guy I bought it from didn’t have much info on it. I’m trying to insure it and can’t find anything other than this 9 didgit number. I’m unable to see in any of the graphs here and other sites what year this is. The number on the frame is 113701181. Thanks

[67ctbug]

1973 I believe.
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[TDCTDI]

Try the HBB off-road section, dustymojave is usually pretty quick at IDing the frames.
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[Randallp]

Thank you, I will look in that section

[mukluk]

113701181 is the part number of the part it's stamped into, not a VIN. The actual VIN is hopefully located either stamped into the rear cross member near the transaxle shift coupler area, or on a metal tag screwed or riveted somewhere on the tube frame -- there isn't a standardised location when it comes to rail buggies.
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[Mal evolent]

113... would be a part off a beetle. that part that has 181... was a Thing part.
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[Fenix]

[cbeck]

So, just where is this # stamped?
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[Randallp]

Thanks for the replies. Came with a bill of sale. Cbeck, in my non vw/buggy English.... In the picture showing the black buggy, the part directly in front on the back wheel that sticks out, like some sort of bump deal, on the back side of what that bolted to... If that helps. I will look at the link for Georgia, was just trying to do it the cheaper or easier way. Thanks guys.

[Randallp]

Also, was hoping if I found a vin, I could just call my insurance agent and tell him to add a vw beetle to my policy. Is this the wrong thinking? Fenix, are you saying yes they will do it but when you have a claim they will deny it because you lied?

[dustymojave]

This buggy frame is an imitation of a rail style generally called "Invader" or Fugitive". But it's not really either one of those. Just similar. Regardless, neither of those are car brands or models recognized by ANY state Motor Vehicle Department or Bureau. It was NOT built by VW, even though it might have some VW parts included in the frame. There IS NO model year for it, unless it was previously registered with the DMV of some state.

Then IF you have the previous registration, you would transfer the title and register it in your name. You get insurance at that time. Has someone told you to GET insurance?

Mukluk is right about the number being a part number NOT a VIN. Although if it WERE a VIN, it would indicate a 1963 VW Bug. But it's NOT. Even if it WERE, it would be useless as a VIN. You would HAVE to have a lot of the original VW pan tunnel to use the original VIN and it would HAVE to still resemble a VW Bug.

I don't think your buggy has previously been registered.
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[67ctbug]

[dustymojave]

[Fenix]

[risk]

Your best bet is to find a beetle title and license it that way. That is the way we do it in this state. I see them for sale on craigslist and at swap meets. Although it is illegal to sell a title (I think).. most of them call it a "historical document" to get around that loophole.

If you can find a junk car, old pan or tunnel with the VIN, then you can get a title that way too.

[Fenix]

[cbeck]

My inspection by the hwy patrol was nothing like a safety inspection. They were only concerned with where each part came from. Then they ran every serial # they could find. Shoe box full of mostly legitimate reciepts and a sacrificial title that matched front and rear suspension types. Yes, they know a kingpin beam never came with a irs rear.

The paperwork. Both the privately owned local office, and the main office in the capitol city were both knowledgeable and helpful. Too easy, but I did all my homework first. Now my homework would include finding somebody to insure it.
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[Randallp]

Thanks guys. I am continuing the research.