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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Rokseth wrote: |
Is it a W30 front beam that we see under the table?? |
No. That is just a regular early beam. The W30 one will look like this. Note how the beam mounting points are much closer together and at an angle.
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Undis wrote: |
Rokseth wrote: |
Is it a W30 front beam that we see under the table?? |
No. That is just a regular early beam. The W30 one will look like this. Note how the beam mounting points are much closer together and at an angle.
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The suspension arms also have the pinch bolt style of mounting on the torsion bar side just like the VW38's had. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
The suspension arms also have the pinch bolt style of mounting on the torsion bar side just like the VW38's had. |
Correct. Here is a close up of the W30 front suspension. I wonder if they'll be able to use the same tools that were used to re-create torsion arms for the VW38.
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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To give a better understanding just what we are looking at in the restoration photos here are some reference photos that the team is using. The very first W30 chassis, that of car W30/00 was extensively photographed in the front yard of the Porsche Villa, December 1936.
In November 1937 the chassis of car W30/13 was also photographed in the garden of the Porsche Villa.
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Here are some more photos reposted from the beginning of this thread.
Last edited by Undis on Sat May 05, 2018 1:01 am; edited 1 time in total |
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66brm Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:45 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Prototype sebring exhaust too!! _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval
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I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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Two Glove Boxes Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Undis wrote: |
Here are some more photos reposted from the beginning of this thread.
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Amazing.
When did they go to a wide 5 bolt pattern? |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:16 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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They went to the wide 5 wheels for the v303. These were the three beetles shown at the factory cornerstone laying ceremony. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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There is some evidence that the first use of wide-five pattern was for the military concept that was called The Stuka. It was built in January 1938 and presented to the military on 1st February 1938. That is months before the V303 cars were unveiled in May that year. More than likely The Stuka used the W30 chassis. This is covered in pages 211 to 223 of Barber's book.
It was the military that demanded that wheel rims should be standartised over civilian and military vehicles. The W30 used 3.00 x 17 inch rims with five bolt pattern that was the same as used on some Mercedes-Benz cars. In fact the rims in the W30 are very similar to those of the MB 170H. It kind of makes sense as the W30 cars were built at the MB Sindelfingen factory.
Not sure why exactly the wide five bolt pattern was chose for all further VW prototypes. Some German cars at the time already used is such as Opel. It appears The Stuka and the first three V303 cars were built on the W30 chassis with new design brake drums installed that would fit the wide-five pattern rims. |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:20 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Time for another update. The floor-pans are nearing completion. This is starting to look like a proper chassis.
Some reference material
Check out this beauty! That flat area at the back is where the body will be bolted to, in the future.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:23 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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It’s inasne how this is coming together for the oldest existing car known. _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:28 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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It's coming together very quickly indeed. No wonder it sat for years waiting for the moment when the team will be ready to tackle this project. Huge amounts of research has been done in between. Looking forward to HO21 even more now! |
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:34 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Undis wrote: |
It's coming together very quickly indeed. No wonder it sat for years waiting for the moment when the team will be ready to tackle this project. Huge amounts of research has been done in between. Looking forward to HO21 even more now! |
I may need to book tickets now! _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 12:58 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Another small update. The team at Hessisch Oldendorf have been busy. The spare wheel holder which is an integral part of the chassis frame head, is finally taking proper shape. Check out the 1936 Mercedes wheel rim.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:07 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Jesus!!!!’
That is all. _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 1:08 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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The wheel rim sits on three studs and a central bolt with a holding disk still needs to be made just like in the photo below.
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Jack O'Neill Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 7:17 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Since the prototypes were made in the MB factory, I suppose they made liberal use of their parts bin back then. Will this MB wheel be part of this build then?
I think that this setup wouldn't do any good for the car's NCAP score =) |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 1:52 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Looking closely at photos of MB cars from 1935/37 lots of little details can be seen that look suspiciously like ones used on the W30 cars. Little things like door and window winder handles, headlights, electric switches, gauges etc.
It makes perfect sense to use non-essential parts from a bin of available items for a very limited run of prototypes.
More than likely those wheel rims will be used for this project. |
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Undis Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:50 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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It's been a while so here is the latest update on what the guys at HO have been up to.
New tubes for the inside of the tunnel.
New fuel line attached to the wiring harness tube.
All primed.
And finally all is buttoned up again.
Attached to a jig.
New LH brake cable tube and wiring harness tube.
RH brake cable tube and fuel line.
Choke and starter cable tubes.
Rear brake cable tubes and fuel line outlet.
Central threaded stud added for the spare wheel holder.
And the holder disk being tried out.
So far so good. Pans fitted back on. The whole chassis is looking so much better now.
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:39 am Post subject: Re: 1937 Prototype W30 chassis 26 |
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Metal wizards level 17 _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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