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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.


Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.



Everett, down in the valley where you live does that $100.00 include evacuate and check if it holds a vacuum, charge and check for leaks?
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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WiFi... Great, now it'll get hacked and your clothes won't be washed right

How about a refrigerator that has WiFi, a camer inside and a app so you can see what's inside on your smartphone while shopping. You can also lookup recipes and buy things.

Oh, it's also voice activated.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.


The shop door rates here are all around $120/hr EverettB. My AC guy tells me he will not recharge a system that has leaked down without changing the dehydrator as the desiccant in it will be contaminated with moisture. He also drains the oil in the system and refills it with fresh lube. With the cost of the new dehydrator, oil, refrigerant and close to a 1/2 a day labour with leak checks etc. you are getting close to $1000 without any additional hoses, seals or other parts.

You are not getting a very thorough job for your $100...
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

oprn wrote:
EverettB wrote:
Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.


The shop door rates here are all around $120/hr EverettB. My AC guy tells me he will not recharge a system that has leaked down without changing the dehydrator as the desiccant in it will be contaminated with moisture. He also drains the oil in the system and refills it with fresh lube. With the cost of the new dehydrator, oil, refrigerant and close to a 1/2 a day labour with leak checks etc. you are getting close to $1000 without any additional hoses, seals or other parts.

You are not getting a very thorough job for your $100...


That's something new for me "dehydrator". Here in the states we call it a "Receiver-Dryer". BTW, you can sometimes pump life into old Receiver - Dryers by popping them into a 600 degree oven for a couple of hours to bake out any moisture.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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oprn wrote:
We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.


Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.

Everett, down in the valley where you live does that $100.00 include evacuate and check if it holds a vacuum, charge and check for leaks?

I have no clue and have never asked what they do, I can't remember every having to get A/C recharged on any of my wife's cars.

I actually thought it was cheaper but I did a Google search for "AZ car A/C service" and took one of the top prices from here:
https://www.pepboys.com/service/preventive_maintenance/ac_services/

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The shop door rates here are all around $120/hr EverettB. My AC guy tells me he will not recharge a system that has leaked down without changing the dehydrator as the desiccant in it will be contaminated with moisture. He also drains the oil in the system and refills it with fresh lube. With the cost of the new dehydrator, oil, refrigerant and close to a 1/2 a day labour with leak checks etc. you are getting close to $1000 without any additional hoses, seals or other parts.

This sounds different - It sounds like a full repair, not just a recharge.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
Helfen wrote:
EverettB wrote:
oprn wrote:
We have 6 cars in the yard now with AC (you can't pick the options on a used car) and 2 of them the AC works. I have been quoted $1000 each just for a recharge, more if they need parts. That's $4000 for something I might use 6 times in a year.


Did you put in too many digits?
It's around $100 here.

Everett, down in the valley where you live does that $100.00 include evacuate and check if it holds a vacuum, charge and check for leaks?

I have no clue and have never asked what they do, I can't remember every having to get A/C recharged on any of my wife's cars.

I actually thought it was cheaper but I did a Google search for "AZ car A/C service" and took one of the top prices from here:
https://www.pepboys.com/service/preventive_maintenance/ac_services/

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The shop door rates here are all around $120/hr EverettB. My AC guy tells me he will not recharge a system that has leaked down without changing the dehydrator as the desiccant in it will be contaminated with moisture. He also drains the oil in the system and refills it with fresh lube. With the cost of the new dehydrator, oil, refrigerant and close to a 1/2 a day labour with leak checks etc. you are getting close to $1000 without any additional hoses, seals or other parts.

This sounds different - It sounds like a full repair, not just a recharge.

That’s a shop that’s screwing its customers. It must be one of those shops that has more managers than mechanics or that’s their “go away” price to sort out the suckers from the cheap asses.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

For way less than 1000 I can replace the compressor the dryer all the seals flush, oil and recharge the system. Somebody is getting hosed.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Agree with Everett - Phoenix area price for evacuation of refrigerant to weigh the amount (the only real way to determine if fully charged), addition of some UV dye, and refill to correct amount of refrigerant is under $150.

My mom had this done on her 2005 PT Cruiser a few years ago at local repair shop I used, and I had this done on my 1988 Mazda truck (still R-12) 2 years ago at same shop.

Shops should NOT charge for full refrigerant fill - like if shop recovers 24 oz and the system holds 32 oz, then shop should only charge you for the additional 8 oz refrigerant.

I typically do all my own AC work, but I do not have the capability to add UV dye to a system that already contains refrigerant, should have added it before I filled it a couple of years prior.

If there's still refrigerant in the system, some AC experts will say not to replace the drier or accumulator. I replaced the compressor in our 2005 Yukon a couple of years ago (due to compressor slugging and breaking AC belt) and I did NOT replace the accumulator as there was no refrigerant loss. I also did not flush out any lines or replace the condenser as one would do with a seized compressor.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

Looks like you fellows were right! I checked with another shop and they told me their base price with no parts starts at $200 taxes in.

Good thing I didn't need it bad enough to take it to those other guys...
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
WiFi... Great, now it'll get hacked and your clothes won't be washed right


Laughing

right? how about the fridge with the tv in it? I mean, come on.

here is something I saw a while ago. a MB shop posted this on a closed forum I belong to.


Link


so, the jist is they ping your transponder or "smart" key making it think the car is within distance.

the dude at the garage has the "reader" and the guy by the 1/4 panel is relaying this info to the cars antenna. boom...car wakes up, thieves drive away.

"hey alexa...start my, aw shit....hey alexa...what's the bus schedule" Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: New car prices today, why so expensive? Reply with quote

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I have been in the automotive business for 30+ years now (f#ck me) and here is my take....



i thought you weren't even forty yet? Is this in 'mechanic years'?
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