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yel-mel Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 12:56 pm Post subject: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Does anyone have the KDF Cog logo style hubcaps ?
I have only seen them in pictures....never on an actual bug or spinning wheel.
Any opinions on these ?
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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KDF swastika hub caps and KDF 4 year plan hub caps are for sale in the classified section of the Samba.
OK to use on a Pre, & during the war cars (1938-1945) as far as I'm concerned. After that, the Nazi thing and it's symbols are things of the past and should not be brought into the future for a host of reasons. |
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RareAir Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Helfen wrote: |
KDF swastika hub caps and KDF 4 year plan hub caps are for sale in the classified section of the Samba.
OK to use on a Pre, & during the war cars (1938-1945) as far as I'm concerned. After that, the Nazi thing and it's symbols are things of the past and should not be brought into the future for a host of reasons. |
Actually, the swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon used commonly in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a sacred symbol of spiritual principles in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. In the Western world, it was historically a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck; but in the 1930s, it became the main feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result it has become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism.
Much like the “Hitler ‘stash”. It may have been fashionable at one time, but it has now earned a negative stigma because of 1 guy that wore it. Ruining it forever. _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3450 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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RareAir wrote: |
Helfen wrote: |
KDF swastika hub caps and KDF 4 year plan hub caps are for sale in the classified section of the Samba.
OK to use on a Pre, & during the war cars (1938-1945) as far as I'm concerned. After that, the Nazi thing and it's symbols are things of the past and should not be brought into the future for a host of reasons. |
Actually, the swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon used commonly in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia, where it has been and remains a sacred symbol of spiritual principles in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. In the Western world, it was historically a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck; but in the 1930s, it became the main feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result it has become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism.
Much like the “Hitler ‘stash”. It may have been fashionable at one time, but it has now earned a negative stigma because of 1 guy that wore it. Ruining it forever. |
Thank you for that forensic explanation of something everyone who's gone to school should already know. Do you know Hitler's explanation? |
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Bustercat65 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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you might get some looks and questions.
Personally I think the contrast between the pre-war and post-war VW vibe is fascinating, even absurdly funny (hence my silly avatar)
KDF wagen also one of the few really positive things to come out of a deeply ugly regime and dark era.
To be frank, it's silly that historical communist-related stuff/kitsch gets such acceptance, while nazi/fascist stuff is still so outrageous even in innocuous forms. It's not like both ideologies didn't murder and hurt a lot of people and dumb political fringes aren't trying to resurrect both.
Go for it, but be ready to either tell people to kiss your butt or fall over yourself explaining you aren't literally hitler. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Your car, do what you want. Personally not really my style, but not because of any stigmatism. If I was running a ratrod or something I’d probably rock em and not give a crap what anyone thinks about it. Snowflakes be damned. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Bustercat65 wrote: |
you might get some looks and questions.
Personally I think the contrast between the pre-war and post-war VW vibe is fascinating, even absurdly funny (hence my silly avatar)
KDF wagen also one of the few really positive things to come out of a deeply ugly regime and dark era.
To be frank, it's silly that historical communist-related stuff/kitsch gets such acceptance, while nazi/fascist stuff is still so outrageous even in innocuous forms. It's not like both ideologies didn't murder and hurt a lot of people and dumb political fringes aren't trying to resurrect both.
Go for it, but be ready to either tell people to kiss your butt or fall over yourself explaining you aren't literally hitler. |
Actually there are many things, not just a few that came out of that regime that might astound you.
And that other regime killed more people than Hitler's Germany, something the socialist try to hide. You know everyone seems to know about Dachau, but did you know Dachau operated as a killing machine until 1960! |
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Joe 20 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2005 Posts: 655 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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I know it housed German refugees (Sudetenland Germans) till the mid 60"s. Don't know about the "killing machine" part so long after the war. Maybe you can enlighten us?
Dachau was the first detention camp used by the Nazi's. It never was a death camp by definition. Ever been there? A very sad place. I don't remember hearing a bird sing even though it was a bright, sunny day... |
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yel-mel Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2015 Posts: 421 Location: Tampa Florida
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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To be honest I just thought they were sort of cool looking in terms of design.
I am speaking of the ones for sale by Foreign Concepts.
I was not at all thinking any political implications or links to Nazi or Hitler type stuff....that never crossed my mind. If that's what people jump to now days it sound like a bad idea.
The world has become a very strange & politically correct place. |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:31 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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yel-mel wrote: |
To be honest I just thought they were sort of cool looking in terms of design.
I am speaking of the ones for sale by Foreign Concepts.
I was not at all thinking any political implications or links to Nazi or Hitler type stuff....that never crossed my mind. If that's what people jump to now days it sound like a bad idea.
The world has become a very strange & politically correct place. |
Since the end of WW2 all that kind of stuff was banned in Germany. They even wanted to ban the old Kaiser WW1 flag because the neo-Nazi groups started using it. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:41 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Maybe it’s time to put an end to that nonsense and realize it’s just a symbol. It holds no inherent power either real or implied unless we give it power. It’s an inanimate object. Rock it if you like the design. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:06 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Depends on how you look at yourself and how others might look at you. If you use old Nazi symbols, symbols that Neo-Nazi's use today you are associating yourself to that and also how people size you up as a individual. Want to associate yourself with that? Fine. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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We’re not talking about walking around in SS uniforms and painting huge swastikas all over the car. But running stylized hubcaps with an abstract design? Cmon. That’s like bitching about the iron cross imagery I see used all the time in the ratrod scene. Again, nothing has power unless you give it power. It’s been over 75 years, people need to let it go. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:22 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Sharp64 wrote: |
We’re not talking about walking around in SS uniforms and painting huge swastikas all over the car. But running stylized hubcaps with an abstract design? Cmon. That’s like bitching about the iron cross imagery I see used all the time in the ratrod scene. Again, nothing has power unless you give it power. It’s been over 75 years, people need to let it go. |
The Iron cross is the German National Cross and goes back to the 1800's. Today it's used on all German military planes. The cross means something to a German, therefore using it on a Rat Rod or your body as a tattoo is degrading and disrespectful of the symbol to a German, especially to a German who has earned the rite to wear one. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:29 am Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Oh good Lord.
Irony is that I get more annoyed at people painting hippy crap all over their cars than I do about this sort of nonsense. (No offense HippyTom)Most are too young to have actually been involved with the hippy scene or even know much about it other than tie dye and smoking weed. I get tired of people expecting some pot smoking hippy to jump out of my VWs or think I relate in anyway to the hippy culture. But if people want to paint their car like it or perpetuate that, more power to them.
BTW, just as a quick test I texted a picture of the KDF design to 10 of my family members and not a single one identified it as having anything to do with a swastika or Nazi party. Which is my point in that so few people even know about this stuff anymore, nor do they care. The only people giving it power are the ones letting it offend them. Get over it. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Helfen Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: KDF VW Cog Wheel HubCaps |
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Oh good Lord, Please teach people to look out for themselves.
Those that forget history, or a education system that teaches selective history are doomed to repeat it. |
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