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D/A/N Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:47 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
window regulator is the first part in the door followed by:
roll up window glass
outside scraper
vent window
large felt channel
inside scraper.
I save the inside scraper for last. then, bolt the glass to the regulator and adjust. also, the felt channel is on the vent window before I install that.
in a perfect world, it would take 10 minutes. in the aftermarket world we live in, it's more like an hour |
We riveted the window back together no problem. Then, we followed the advice from skills and everything works great but for two items. First, the upper vent window to door frame screw is stripped. Annoying but not terrible. Also, the window winds up beautifully but not down because the lift guide channel doesn’t really grip the window. The glass stays up but everything else winds down. There was a boatload of clear and black silicone holding the channel, gasket, and glass together when we removed everything. Is silicone the solution? _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
window regulator is the first part in the door followed by:
roll up window glass
outside scraper
vent window
large felt channel
inside scraper.
I save the inside scraper for last. then, bolt the glass to the regulator and adjust. also, the felt channel is on the vent window before I install that.
in a perfect world, it would take 10 minutes. in the aftermarket world we live in, it's more like an hour |
We riveted the window back together no problem. Then, we followed the advice from skills and everything works great but for two items. First, the upper vent window to door frame screw is stripped. Annoying but not terrible. Also, the window winds up beautifully but not down because the lift guide channel doesn’t really grip the window. The glass stays up but everything else winds down. There was a boatload of clear and black silicone holding the channel, gasket, and glass together when we removed everything. Is silicone the solution? |
The black is actually a rubber retainer that's a "U" channel. I use clear silicone adhesive to glue the rubber to the metal glass holder channel then the glass to the rubber for added insurance.
If you can get your hands on a bicycle inner tube or something like that you can fabricate this. Leave your window all the way up with pressure on the window holder for 24 hours and you'll be good to go.
Here's a general pic of the rubber piece, it's #13 up top. Sorry the damn pic is so small:
Maybe one of those window channel runs could be adapted and pressed into service for this as well... maybe. Just a thought. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:10 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Tram wrote: |
D/A/N wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
window regulator is the first part in the door followed by:
roll up window glass
outside scraper
vent window
large felt channel
inside scraper.
I save the inside scraper for last. then, bolt the glass to the regulator and adjust. also, the felt channel is on the vent window before I install that.
in a perfect world, it would take 10 minutes. in the aftermarket world we live in, it's more like an hour |
We riveted the window back together no problem. Then, we followed the advice from skills and everything works great but for two items. First, the upper vent window to door frame screw is stripped. Annoying but not terrible. Also, the window winds up beautifully but not down because the lift guide channel doesn’t really grip the window. The glass stays up but everything else winds down. There was a boatload of clear and black silicone holding the channel, gasket, and glass together when we removed everything. Is silicone the solution? |
The black is actually a rubber retainer that's a "U" channel. I use clear silicone adhesive to glue the rubber to the metal glass holder channel then the glass to the rubber for added insurance.
If you can get your hands on a bicycle inner tube or something like that you can fabricate this. Leave your window all the way up with pressure on the window holder for 24 hours and you'll be good to go.
Here's a general pic of the rubber piece, it's #13 up top. Sorry the damn pic is so small:
Maybe one of those window channel runs could be adapted and pressed into service for this as well... maybe. Just a thought. |
We have a replacement gasket so we’ll glue it in with silicone. Now why is the inner scraper such a bitch to get in!!!?????!!!!! _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1904cc w/ 40mm Dellortos, 019 distributor, Steve Tims “super stock” 37x32 heads, Web Cam 218, Vintage Speed SS143 Super Speed exhaust, 1 1/2” heater boxes |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
D/A/N wrote: |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
window regulator is the first part in the door followed by:
roll up window glass
outside scraper
vent window
large felt channel
inside scraper.
I save the inside scraper for last. then, bolt the glass to the regulator and adjust. also, the felt channel is on the vent window before I install that.
in a perfect world, it would take 10 minutes. in the aftermarket world we live in, it's more like an hour |
We riveted the window back together no problem. Then, we followed the advice from skills and everything works great but for two items. First, the upper vent window to door frame screw is stripped. Annoying but not terrible. Also, the window winds up beautifully but not down because the lift guide channel doesn’t really grip the window. The glass stays up but everything else winds down. There was a boatload of clear and black silicone holding the channel, gasket, and glass together when we removed everything. Is silicone the solution? |
The black is actually a rubber retainer that's a "U" channel. I use clear silicone adhesive to glue the rubber to the metal glass holder channel then the glass to the rubber for added insurance.
If you can get your hands on a bicycle inner tube or something like that you can fabricate this. Leave your window all the way up with pressure on the window holder for 24 hours and you'll be good to go.
Here's a general pic of the rubber piece, it's #13 up top. Sorry the damn pic is so small:
Maybe one of those window channel runs could be adapted and pressed into service for this as well... maybe. Just a thought. |
We have a replacement gasket so we’ll glue it in with silicone. Now why is the inner scraper such a bitch to get in!!!?????!!!!! |
Make sure it's silicone adhesive. Otherwise it'll just be like a bungee cord.
As to the inner scraper... like everything else new, I'd almost have to ass/u/me that the retainer clip is now tweaked out of shape and uncooperative. Single use clips... The simplest shit is now a teeth- clenching battle of attrition on these cars, unfortunately. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Don't feel like the lonely idiot on that scraper... been there, done that, got the scars.
Hell of it is is that a NOS or old Rocky Mountain Motorworks scraper would have practically installed itself.
And, hmmmm. I never noticed that holder looking like that. I guess I need to go back to opthamologist so he can tell me how my eyes are just GREAT!!! for a guy "of your age"... O really? Then why do I feel like this:
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neena Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Well Tram, maybe your eyes or someone else's eyes are good enough to help us solve this riddle.
On Sunday, our new passenger side door glass was spotless. This morning, I rode my bike past the bus and thought there were a bunch of greasy smudges on the window, even though I cleaned it yesterday. Tonight, as I approached it with a paper towel, it looked like smudged bird shit. I figured it must have been there when we tested the window after allowing the adhesive silicone to cure in the lift channel. Then there seemed to be silicone on the window that wouldn't just wipe off, so out came a razor blade...only then did we realize that the "silicone" I was attempting to scrape off was actually scratched glass!!!
What gives?
As far as vandalism, there are far crueler things one could do. As another break in attempt, it seems half-hearted. And what could hit the glass hard enough to scratch it but not crack or break it? All we did to the window yesterday was wind it up and down to verify that the silicone adhesive was holding the glass to the lifter channel. There were no sounds or trauma or scratching then.
So what could have caused this? And could a glass place repair it or are we looking at yet another piece of glass and shelling out for an off-street parking spot?
_________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1600 SP with 30 PICT 3 carburetor, 205M distributor, stock muffler
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secretsubmariner Champagne Wrangler
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:37 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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You guys have a beautiful bus, it's a shame you are having to deal with stupid turds! Bookmark'd _________________ -Tony
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:44 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Looks to me like someone hit the window with a blunt object (rock or crow bar) high up on the window. This causing the window to flex more and absorb impact better. The first time the window was broken was near the door which would flex less and perhaps with a sharper point. Ever see those little emergency hammers to break auto class. They are small and have a pointed tip. In high school a guy took a baseball bat to my side window and it bounced off the glass repeatedly. Sorry about the vandalism. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Also, am I naive to think that an auto glass pro can make those scratches go away or at least look better? |
You'll have to ask some of them, Aeromech tried it and although it looked a little better it was far from "fixed". To get to the bottom of those you have to remove the surrounding glass, like grinding a lens into it, it'll look wobbly there.
If you can clean out the scratches really well you might be able to fill them with clear nail polish or better yet automotive clear and then scrape the excess off with a razor blade and polish. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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I think I'd definitely start parking on a different block. _________________ 1965 Volkswagen 1500 Variant S
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Wonder if glass chip repair would work? |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Well, shit. Not again.
I know it will drive you crazy but leaving that window the way it is might cause this asshole to lose interest. Funny it didn't get fucked with till AFTER you fixed it. If they didn't do any other damage there IS that. Replacing the window again may just invite more fun and games.
Did one of you two flunk somebody? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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busdaddy wrote: |
You don't need a vise to tweak the horse shoe, a tap with a hammer in the middle while it's stood up on a hard vertical surface will do, start light since it's easy to overdo it. The squeak may have been the cancelling fingers rubbing on the ring. Pay attention to the part in that post about the sand paper or emory cloth, that really improves the grip on the column. |
Just got around to doing this today. All it took was one firm tap with a hammer on the center of the horseshoe while standing it up on the sidewalk. Instead of the horseshoe just falling into place in the signal housing, it actually took a slight bit of effort to get it in. Wrapped some emory cloth around the column and everything is holding tight. For the first time, we can't move the signal housing by hand at all. Things are good so far. There was a crazy amount of electrical tape on the column which I imagine someone put there in an attempt to bulk things up and get the housing tight. I wonder if our squeak was something rubbing on the electrical tape on tight turns...
In other news, we replaced the sliding door hinge assembly. We had a late replacement U-shaped part that was poorly painted and rusting rapidly, so we swapped the whole hinge out with a chrome one (which we should have had anyway) from the classifieds. Everything else was lubricated after reading Colin's thread
http://www.itinerant-air-cooled.com/viewtopic.php?t=9144
and the rollers and sliding areas were lubed per ratwell's writeup.
So here's the weird thing.....now the door doesn't slide open as well as it did with the crusty old hinge
Now lubed, the bearing bearing on the new hinge slides spins so much better, but that seems to have no bearing (oops ) on how well the door slides
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With the old hinge, if we popped the door open with the handle, it'd automatically slide halfway open. Now, it slides about 1/8 of the way open and that's with everything lubed up. What else could we have missed? With everything lubed, I thought this job would have been a home run, not a bunt. |
I'm just noticing this now that you've moved on to other things.
If you haven't yet gotten this to improve try loosening the nuts at both ends of the U junction slightly and see if that improves things.
The way these doors "glide" themselves open has to do with the momentum of how easily the "U" swings to the full open stop... it's THAT easy swinging motion with the sudden stop that then makes it glide down the track easily on its own.
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing". Seriously.
If the loosened nuts help but they are now so loose they may work themselves off, replace them with nylocs.
If this doesn't help there's a possibility that the plating is interfering with the swing action. Remove the U with the door open at the rear and supported and grease the thing up. If that doesn't help file the plating down in the area that goes up into the other 2 parts of the hinge.
Sometimes shitty painted parts ARE better... _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Tram wrote: |
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing".
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I hate you for that and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone
Doo wah, doo wah, doo wah, doo wah
Doo wah, doo wah, doo wah, doo wah _________________ Keep on Busin'
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Damn that Xevin... |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Xevin wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing".
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I hate you for that and I’m not alone
Doo wah, doo wah, doo wah, doo wah
Doo wah, doo wah, doo wah, doo wah |
Pish. Get in line sucka. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Tram wrote: |
If you haven't yet gotten this to improve try loosening the nuts at both ends of the U junction slightly and see if that improves things.
The way these doors "glide" themselves open has to do with the momentum of how easily the "U" swings to the full open stop... it's THAT easy swinging motion with the sudden stop that then makes it glide down the track easily on its own.
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing". Seriously.
If the loosened nuts help but they are now so loose they may work themselves off, replace them with nylocs.
If this doesn't help there's a possibility that the plating is interfering with the swing action. Remove the U with the door open at the rear and supported and grease the thing up. If that doesn't help file the plating down in the area that goes up into the other 2 parts of the hinge.
Sometimes shitty painted parts ARE better... |
There's only a nut on one end of the U. The other side is the more complicated one with the pin and clips and whatnot else. I lubed the hell out of that but never thought to loosen the nut. I'll add that to the list for summer road trip prep.
In other news, we had a few days of well-deserved camping this weekend. The full length Bus Depot awning is a win even if the poles are clunky. The front door screens are pretty good but need a bit of help to make a good seal between the magnets. We may sew in a few more in between the ones provided. Still, a pleasant scene:
Our bigger summer road trip prep item is removing our leaky sliding windows and replacing them with jalousies. We've got one window all ready......cleaned up, new seals, all moving parts lubricated, and even a new regulator mechanism. Problem is, the individual panes still won't close tightly. When reading about that issue on the forum, the old threads pointed to a new regulator mechanism but it didn't work for us. Even with an old mechanism and before rebuild, the window on the other side closes more tightly. It seems like one of ours will rattle but would be fine with another 1/4 turn of the regulator which it just doesn't have. Any ideas for a fix before we install? We can take a video if needed. _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
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