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demon1018
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demon1018
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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Heres the latest bus that will be rolling out of the shop soon. its a 1961 double door kombi. It had some serious rust and still have more to do but its running and the suspension and brakes are all done.
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demon1018
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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We also built a kit for a barndoor bus. We've never even touched a barndoor but the customer gave us great measurements and pics so we got it done! He also wanted a rack and pinion like I did on my bus and wanted to mount the cylinder on the opposite side. Headed off to the UK.
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demon1018
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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Here's a vid of the Double door.
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demon1018
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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Excellent work! thanks for sharing the videos and photos.
I see a baywindow bus in the background. Are you going to do a bay setup, too?
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BarryL 
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| Looks to be highly well engineered. Does it use leaves? If so is the side with the adjuster have shorter leaves or is there a sleeve that takes the adjustment point back to the middle somehow? |
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Looks to be highly well engineered. Does it use leaves? If so is the side with the adjuster have shorter leaves or is there a sleeve that takes the adjustment point back to the middle somehow? |
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| The hydraulic cylinder turns the part in the center of the beam that holds the torsion leaves. The top and bottom adjusters are linked together so the both move at the same time. It rides completely on the torsion springs when it is off the ground. The hydraulic cyl doesn't move at all when you drive..the suspension works just like it did when it was stock...it's like having adjusters that you can adjust on the fly! |
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demon1018
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| Yep it uses the stock torsion leaves so the ride is exactly stock. Its cantilevered inside so it twist them in the center. The top and bottom are linked together so all the leaves and all 4 trailing arms carry the load just like stock |
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Enkiel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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those tubs looks very nice.
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joe56vw
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| demon1018 wrote: |
We also built a kit for a barndoor bus. We've never even touched a barndoor but the customer gave us great measurements and pics so we got it done! He also wanted a rack and pinion like I did on my bus and wanted to mount the cylinder on the opposite side. Headed off to the UK.
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Barndoor beams don't mount the same way later splits do, so how is the beam suppose to mount to a barndoor?
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demon1018
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| If you look close in that pic you can see the mounts for a barn door bus inside of the regular side plates we made. There are no holes in them though. He is gonna mark and drill them when he installs it. Ill post a better pic of the mounts when I get home |
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demon1018
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| Enkiel wrote: |
| those tubs looks very nice. |
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demon1018
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| cdennisg wrote: |
Excellent work! thanks for sharing the videos and photos.
I see a baywindow bus in the background. Are you going to do a bay setup, too? |
Thanks! yes we will be doing a bay window set up soon. the will be options there though because using split bus parts will allow it to go lower. the bay window beams tubes are further apart and will hit the ground earlier. we can make the sideplates with the bolt pattern for later bays and still use split bus parts if you want |
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demon1018
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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We also built a kit for a barndoor bus. We've never even touched a barndoor but the customer gave us great measurements and pics so we got it done! He also wanted a rack and pinion like I did on my bus and wanted to mount the cylinder on the opposite side. Headed off to the UK.
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Barndoor beams don't mount the same way later splits do, so how is the beam suppose to mount to a barndoor? |
heres a better pic
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joe56vw
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| demon1018 wrote: |
We also built a kit for a barndoor bus. We've never even touched a barndoor but the customer gave us great measurements and pics so we got it done! He also wanted a rack and pinion like I did on my bus and wanted to mount the cylinder on the opposite side. Headed off to the UK.
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Barndoor beams don't mount the same way later splits do, so how is the beam suppose to mount to a barndoor? |
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Cool couldn't tell from the other pics
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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Excellent work! thanks for sharing the videos and photos.
I see a baywindow bus in the background. Are you going to do a bay setup, too? |
Thanks! yes we will be doing a bay window set up soon. the will be options there though because using split bus parts will allow it to go lower. the bay window beams tubes are further apart and will hit the ground earlier. we can make the sideplates with the bolt pattern for later bays and still use split bus parts if you want |
I likely won't be in the market. I like really low stuff, but I'd rather look at it than drive it. If I do a lowered bay, it will only be 4-5" static drop.
I agree, the bay beams don't lend themselves well to going really low. Link pin beams work much better, and fit perfectly.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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If only, never liked the ride of repositioned torsion stays. The new geometry changes the dynamic throw of the arms and spindles. W/O the ability to change the alignment on the fly, all you’re doing is making mad steering issues.
If you’re going to lower it, do so. Just make sure it’s safe.
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Erik G
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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If only, never liked the ride of repositioned torsion stays. The new geometry changes the dynamic throw of the arms and spindles. W/O the ability to change the alignment on the fly, all you’re doing is making mad steering issues.
If you’re going to lower it, do so. Just make sure it’s safe. |
Most will not be dropping it that low going through the twisties. I 100% agree with you on doing it right, it looks like he is using a 5 inch dropped spindle to help with geometry. That alone has to be better than most static slammed buses, and here you get the option of lifting it for speed bumps, curbs, and drive ways.
I love it
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demon1018
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic adjustable suspension system |
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| Exactly. if your trailing arms ar pointed strait up its just not gonna ride well. we make 5 inch drop spindles so the arms are much straighter. We also use delrin bushings and not urethane. The bakelite works great just easier for us to go with delrin and it works the same. We also flip the outer tie rods so that keeps them closer to the tangent to help with bump steer. This is not even a problem at all.... On a type one with the short tie rod it is a little but not at all on a bus. we also have used center load rack and pinion steering on both bug and buses that even makes it better! The bus beams are built with 8 degrees caster in them too. All his adds up to making it ride better than stock hands down! |
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