Transmission support bar when engine is out (?!)

[mr matt]

Ok, maybe I went just to bus youtubes and my experience with pulling bug engines, but when I pulled my 2L FI bus engine, I did not attach a transmission support bar.

Now while looking at my manuals, I came across this procedure

Is that bad I did not put attach one? - if so, in what way?

Do I need to put one in before I put the engine back in... will the process of putting the engine back in without the bar, mess something up?

Thanks!
Matt
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[aeromech]

Isn’t your transmission supported by the hanger above the bell housing?
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[mr matt]

[Wildthings]

If you take the two bolts out above the bellhousing so that you can pull the engine without removing the rear tin and some other stuff you need to support the transmission before you pull the engine free of the transmission. If you leave the bolts in place you do not need to add any support.

[SGKent]

if you pull an early bay upright T1 engine then the transmission should be supported, VW shows a tool that does it but a chain or rope is what those folks use.

If you pull a late bay pancake T4 engine, then the transmission is supported on two ears by a carrier bracket and some rubber isolators. They get old and break so they should be carefully checked. Many of us prefer tp pull the late engine and transmission together. An image of the carrier on a late bay is below. Because it is there a chain or support tool is not needed like on an early bay.

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[mr matt]

thanks, that really helps,

I can understand now why people pull the tranny and the engine together.

My brother and I have been working 4 hours now trying to fit the engine in.

We have it part way in, ( lower studs in tranny holes, and some push in) but the flywheel teeth as well as the pressure plate is showing. we feel we need to lift the engine near horizontal to have it go in, but the oil filler tube is in the way. So with the engine at an angle we are trying to push the engine in enough to clear the oil fill pipe then jack the engine near horizontal.
But we are making no real progress with this and are stuck.

I will create a new thread for this to see if there is any help. The engine is only barely in where it is.
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1971 Convertible beetle
1977 Westfalia, FI, Berlin interior

[Wildthings]

Pull the engine back out, and put a floor jack under the middle of the tranny from the front or side. Now pull the two bolts that hold the bellhousing to the cross beam and lower the tranny so the bellhousing drops about 2-3" inches and put a jack stand or some blocking under the bellhousing and remove your jack. (If you don't need your jack to lift your engine you can just leave it under the tranny instead of otherwise supporting the bellhousing.) You can also hang the bellhousing from above after dropping it the required 2-3". Use some chain or stout rope to hang it, you don't want it coming down.

With my fairly simple but refined method it typically takes me about 5-10 minutes to get the engine mated to the tranny from the time I begin raising the engine.

[mr matt]