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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:57 pm Post subject: still having trouble with axcleration |
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ok heres what i have stock 1600 single port with 30/31 205 dizzy duel canons . i've set the valves have electronic set the timing per hot spark ins but can't seem to get it not stumble on take off from idle new rebuilt carb only 2 year ago. any help would be great thanks in advance |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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mini t wrote: |
ok heres what i have stock 1600 single port with 30/31 205 dizzy duel canons . i've set the valves have electronic set the timing per hot spark ins but can't seem to get it not stumble on take off from idle new rebuilt carb only 2 year ago. any help would be great thanks in advance |
While it's running.
Is the intake manifold directly under the carb icing up? If so, that's the affect of the dual cannons not supplying heat to the intake manifold. This causes the fuel to condense into droplets, rather than stay in a vaporous form.
In other words. It's not gonna run very well.
When I was a kid we had a Manx buggy that had dual cannons. That thing iced up all the time. Never got it sorted.
You might want to consider a different exhaust system to combat the icing issue if this is what's going on with your engine.
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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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it runs good except for from idle take off cannons have heat risers atached to manifold |
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modok Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 26788 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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A picture of the setup would be handy.
Changing the exhaust, changing the air filter, and putting a different model carburetor on the engine than it was supposed to have, all may require jetting changes. Although, that does not mean changing the jetting is the best fix. you can adjust the carburetor to work with the engine, OR, you can adjust the engine to work with the carburetor.
Most carburetor problems are not carburetor related. |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:28 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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what distributor are you running? most 30/31s end up running better with centrifugal distributors in my experience |
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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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this is what i'm running k&n air filter that you can't see |
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nextgen Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:01 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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Single Stock Carb, reminds me of the first Empi Extractor bought in 1969. Put on my brand new 1969 bug. It was doing the same thing.
Empi said did you use the larger main Jet we sent with the exhaust??
What main jet?? Luck I did not throw out the box. it was a 130 main jet.
In those days, ha, extractors came with main jets.
Instantly fixed the problem, the exhaust made the engine run lean. _________________ email: [email protected]
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k-weaver Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2012 Posts: 69 Location: Santa Maria, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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Might be a dumb question but i'm gonna ask anyway...Are the heat risers in the exhaust drilled out? I know the EMPI headers that come with the heat risers are plugged.
Sounds like it could also be a jetting issue. |
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Q-Dog Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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That distributor may not like the vacuum signal from that carb. The 30/31 is not an exact copy of any stock VW carb, so the vacuum ports are not layed out the same. I have not had a reason to test one, but I have heard that the angled lower port on the back of the carb (with the yellow cap on your photo) may have a vacuum signal that is better suited to the distributor you are running.
Of course, you could use a vacuum gauge to test if the port is providing the correct vacuum signal. You could also use a timing light to see if the distributor is advancing correctly. Or you could just switch the vacuum line over to that port and see if it runs better.
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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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heat risers are drilled going to check jet size today and try the other vac port |
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[email protected] Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:18 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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that distributor is connected to the wrong port on the carb. _________________ It's just advice, do whatever you want with it!
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Frank Bassman Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:13 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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If this is a 30/31 carb, test both ports carefully. The angled bottom port works for SVDA distributors. (Tested this myself, it is ported vacuum)
The side port has worked for me with SVA, NON centrifugal distributors such as the one shown in the picture. It is a much weaker signal than the bottom one because the diaphragm works with much less vacuum than an svda.
The bottom port will cause immediate max advance when the throttle opens.
Clean your idle jet.
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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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what port should it be on |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:54 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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appears to be a SVSA distributor (vacuum only), which should be MAP not ported vacuum. But i'm old and my eyes may be deceiving me. Left port is correct for SVDA.
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mini t Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2018 Posts: 60 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:05 am Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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nsracing Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: still having trouble with axcleration |
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Make sure you are on the proper port for the vacuum advance. Make sure the advance is actually working - apply vacuum to it and see it if is in fact advancing.
What is your initial timing? Total timing? |
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