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mnwesty
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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject: Euro or US? |
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I had thought for sure my 1971 Ghia is European spec because it has Euro bumpers. Yeah, I know those are easily changed with just a few bolts. The seatbelts don't match the owners manual, again just a few bolts. It also doesn't have the coat hooks that are on page 17 of the owners manual. What makes me wonder now are the front turn signals. The one on the left has a socket for the side marker and two tabs for parking light and turn signal. The one the right doesn't have the side marker and only one tab for the turn signal.
Is there a way, without ordering the birth certificate, that I can determine if my Ghia was meant for the European or US market?
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Starbucket
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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| It's common to replace turn signals when the original ones get smashed by going to the junkyard and using what's there or previous owners wanted a different look. Most people removed seatbelts back then as they thought they were dangerous (we know better now) so replacements were added at a later date and as you will find out parts are very scarce for these cars. Don't worry about it. |
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mnwesty
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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| Starbucket wrote: |
| It's common to replace turn signals when the original ones get smashed by going to the junkyard and using what's there or previous owners wanted a different look. Most people removed seatbelts back then as they thought they were dangerous (we know better now) so replacements were added at a later date and as you will find out parts are very scarce for these cars. Don't worry about it. |
Actually, I am kind of worried about it. I want to get it back to as close to stock as I can. I have Euro bumpers on it now and if it is Euro spec I will keep on trying to find affordable replacements fir the sections that aren't so good and replace the left parking/turn signal. If it is US spec I will replace the bumpers with more readily obtainable US spec ones and replace the right turn signal and put the rear reflectors back on. Like I said, I'm trying to get it back to as close to stock as I can.
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NOVA Airhead
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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Most of the Ghia production in 1971 went to the US. Its more likely that your car is US spec than Euro.
The best way to tell would be the rear reflectors. Euro cars did not have the wrap around reflectors. It sounds like your car has no reflectors so you will need to look inside the fenders to see where the holes are. Here is what the Euro spec reflectors looked like:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/8_70ghia_german/10.jpg
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mnwesty
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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I will look for the holes tomorrow. However, just going by the front turn signals, if the right side had been crunched sometime in the past the turn signal would have been replaced with a US spec one with tabs for turn signals/parking lights and side markers because they were available here. The right side has only one tab for the turn signal and nothing for the side marker.
So, the left is US and the right is Euro?
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mnwesty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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Does it have a KM speedo? Didn't Euro cars in 71 still Swing axle?
I think Euro would be a 1300 motor? Tons of ways to tell id imagine.
No pics? making it hard huh?  |
Here's one, but pretty generic.
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mnwesty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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This is the front left turn signal/parking ling for an 1157 bulb.
This is the front right turn signal for an 1156 bulb.
Tome, if either one had been replaced it would be the left one. That one is much easier to get here.
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mnwesty
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Euro or US? |
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Are your bumpers real Euros or were the over riders removed? Look at the Euro manuals in the Technical Tab to compare. Look at the big stuff that is harder to swap out. Euro cars had coat hooks too. 
Thanks for the pics, Is that original paint, looks shiny. |
The outer sections of the bumpers do not have holes in them which would indicate US bumpers with the over riders changed.
Mine does not have coat hangers.
The paint is not original, it was orange. I have no idea what color it is, but there is a 1967 color that comes close.
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