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SpeedyUk Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2018 Posts: 61 Location: Essex - United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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Hi Guys
Can someone let me know what this aluminium looking electrical box is under the rear seat and what it does please.
I think it make be a relay or contactor as it chatters now and again?
Any info will be appreciated, along with any thoughts as to whether it should chatter or stay quiet.
Thanks guys - Best Regards[/img] |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31378 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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That's a 12-volt voltage regulator.
There are modern 12-volt Bosch solid state voltage regulators available for VWs with generators (dynamo to you); I have one on my 1970 VW. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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SpeedyUk Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2018 Posts: 61 Location: Essex - United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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Thank you for the post.
I would imagine thats solid state with no moveable parts just diodes or electronic bits n bobs lol
I have a chattering sound from that area - may not be that an a relay? |
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GArBa Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2014 Posts: 2105 Location: Milano, Italy
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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the regulator you have is not the solid state type.
Nevertheless, it does have a lot of "electronic bits n bobs" inside which do move, some of them are even relays.
seriously, look up "voltage regulator" in thesamba search and you'll find literally hundreds of pages. _________________ cars:
'97 type 1 1600i
'14 type AA Seat Mii (sadly dead after 270.000 km)
'22 type C1 T-Cross
'23 type AC3 Hyundai I10 (VW no longer makes small cars!)
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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An 'old' VR (non-solid state) has many little moving parts.
Think of them sort of like the points in your distributor. They connect and disconnect to 'regulate' the voltage to the battery and systems. They can get quite noisy as they age. If you can truly narrow the chattering down to that VR, it may be on its way out.
Consider the solid state Bosch VR if you require a replacement.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QXWYU3C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
A few pictures of the underside of that VR that you have currently:
_________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
1600DP AK case
Solex 34PICT3 Carb
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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I haven’t experienced a chattering voltage regulator. There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31378 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though. |
I have no idea if UK VWs even had rear window defroster.... _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12856 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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Cusser wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though. |
I have no idea if UK VWs even had rear window defroster.... |
The group of wires passing under the heater tube looks reminiscent of the defrost “harness”, but I missed the UK part. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31378 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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In my own experience - 1 VW that had the rear window defroster, my 1970 but in Phoenix AZ - it didn't work so well. I think I checked continuity of the rear grid in its "resurrection" but there was no resistance between the terminals, so I just left it alone. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26323 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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GArBa wrote: |
the regulator you have is not the solid state type.
Nevertheless, it does have a lot of "electronic bits n bobs" inside which do move, some of them are even relays. . |
Yeah, it's not Solid State.
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SpeedyUk Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2018 Posts: 61 Location: Essex - United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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Thanks for all in depth replies.
I have just purchased a EMPI alternator and hoping this will have a built in voltage regulator.
https://www.jbugs.com/product/9451.html
If this is the case hopefully the older one will be redundant and I can just leave it in place as a backup? |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat |
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If you get the alternator pictured in that link it is the internally regulated type. You will need to do a little re-wring under the rear seat and bypass the generator VR.
SpeedyUk wrote: |
If this is the case hopefully the older one will be redundant and I can just leave it in place as a backup? |
Actually no. The generator VR is not compatible with any model VW alternator. You will need to disconnect all wires from the old VR and splice a few of them together. This pic from Speedy Jim’s site may help illustrate how to wire your internally regulated alternator. The old generator VR is pictured at the bottom left. The fuse numbering only applies if your have a 12-fuse fusebox. You didn’t mention the model year of your Beetle so the fuses may not apply.
Maybe the most important thing about installing the wiring for an alternator is you need to create a solid junction for the three heavy gauge wires under the rear seat. One red wire comes from the battery positive terminal. One comes from the alternator B+ terminal. The last runs from the junction to the front of the car where it powers pretty much everything. This junction of three wires needs to be SOLID (GOOD). It will carry a large current load. If you can find the large white rectangular junction that came from the factory with the later model Beetles that came with alternators you can just plug the three wires into the junction. Otherwise you will need to come up with some other way.
One option is to find your neighborhood car audio store and buy a power distribution point. These connect heavy gauge wires (8AWG or larger) together. You can use them as a junction. They look like this:
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