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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

Hi Guys

Can someone let me know what this aluminium looking electrical box is under the rear seat and what it does please.

I think it make be a relay or contactor as it chatters now and again?

Any info will be appreciated, along with any thoughts as to whether it should chatter or stay quiet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

That's a 12-volt voltage regulator.

There are modern 12-volt Bosch solid state voltage regulators available for VWs with generators (dynamo to you); I have one on my 1970 VW.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

Thank you for the post.

I would imagine thats solid state with no moveable parts just diodes or electronic bits n bobs lol

I have a chattering sound from that area - may not be that an a relay?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

the regulator you have is not the solid state type.
Nevertheless, it does have a lot of "electronic bits n bobs" inside which do move, some of them are even relays. Laughing

seriously, look up "voltage regulator" in thesamba search and you'll find literally hundreds of pages.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

An 'old' VR (non-solid state) has many little moving parts.

Think of them sort of like the points in your distributor. They connect and disconnect to 'regulate' the voltage to the battery and systems. They can get quite noisy as they age. If you can truly narrow the chattering down to that VR, it may be on its way out.

Consider the solid state Bosch VR if you require a replacement.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QXWYU3C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A few pictures of the underside of that VR that you have currently:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

I haven’t experienced a chattering voltage regulator. There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

TDCTDI wrote:
There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though.

I have no idea if UK VWs even had rear window defroster....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

Cusser wrote:
TDCTDI wrote:
There might be a relay for the rear window defrost element just on the other side of that heat tube though.

I have no idea if UK VWs even had rear window defroster....

The group of wires passing under the heater tube looks reminiscent of the defrost “harness”, but I missed the UK part.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

In my own experience - 1 VW that had the rear window defroster, my 1970 but in Phoenix AZ - it didn't work so well. I think I checked continuity of the rear grid in its "resurrection" but there was no resistance between the terminals, so I just left it alone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

GArBa wrote:
the regulator you have is not the solid state type.
Nevertheless, it does have a lot of "electronic bits n bobs" inside which do move, some of them are even relays. Laughing .


Yeah, it's not Solid State.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

Thanks for all in depth replies.

I have just purchased a EMPI alternator and hoping this will have a built in voltage regulator.

https://www.jbugs.com/product/9451.html

If this is the case hopefully the older one will be redundant and I can just leave it in place as a backup?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Unknown electrical box under passenger seat Reply with quote

SpeedyUk wrote:
I have just purchased a EMPI alternator and hoping this will have a built in voltage regulator.

https://www.jbugs.com/product/9451.html

If you get the alternator pictured in that link it is the internally regulated type. You will need to do a little re-wring under the rear seat and bypass the generator VR.


SpeedyUk wrote:
If this is the case hopefully the older one will be redundant and I can just leave it in place as a backup?

Actually no. The generator VR is not compatible with any model VW alternator. You will need to disconnect all wires from the old VR and splice a few of them together. This pic from Speedy Jim’s site may help illustrate how to wire your internally regulated alternator. The old generator VR is pictured at the bottom left. The fuse numbering only applies if your have a 12-fuse fusebox. You didn’t mention the model year of your Beetle so the fuses may not apply.
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Maybe the most important thing about installing the wiring for an alternator is you need to create a solid junction for the three heavy gauge wires under the rear seat. One red wire comes from the battery positive terminal. One comes from the alternator B+ terminal. The last runs from the junction to the front of the car where it powers pretty much everything. This junction of three wires needs to be SOLID (GOOD). It will carry a large current load. If you can find the large white rectangular junction that came from the factory with the later model Beetles that came with alternators you can just plug the three wires into the junction. Otherwise you will need to come up with some other way.
One option is to find your neighborhood car audio store and buy a power distribution point. These connect heavy gauge wires (8AWG or larger) together. You can use them as a junction. They look like this:
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