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EeVeeWee
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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Lind wrote: |
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| Clara wrote: |
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| And with a plastic fuel filter in the engine compartment.... |
I see nothing wrong with that.
The fuel filter above the trans is not so good. Especially in a freshly revived bus that gets grit in the filter. Those are annoying to check for debris when hidden there, and more likely to pour gas on you when you change them. How awesome is that? 
In the engine compartment I can check it with my oil check at every fill up. Sometimes there's a bad tank of gas that gets ick in there.
I know there is a line of thought that says it is wrong to put a filter there, but it doesn't make sense to me to be awkward. Be awkward and put it above the trans if you want to. |
I know there have been more than one fires because of the filter in the engine compartment.
Easy to check, but when the plastic gets harder due to the heat, there can become a break in the plastic with leakage as a result.
Use a metal filter in that place or just put it in a safe place outside the engine compartment to prevent fire. |
Please show me a picture of a brittle, broken or leaking plastic fuel filter. Plastic filters do not fail. Fuel lines get old and fail. Brass fittings come out of pot-metal carbs and fuel pumps. The plastic filters are not the problem. VW has produced millions of cars with plastic fuel filters. |
If you think plastic is not under the influence of heat, be my guest, but at least don't put it at the pressure side of the pump, to be sure.
For me there is just one save place for the fuel filter, and that's underneath the tank, above the gearbox. |
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rustybus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| EeVeeWee wrote: |
If you think plastic is not under the influence of heat, be my guest, but at least don't put it at the pressure side of the pump, to be sure.
For me there is just one save place for the fuel filter, and that's underneath the tank, above the gearbox. |
I live in Arizona and have been daily driving my buses for close to 30 years here, that whole time with plastic fuel filters in my engine compartment. Never once in that time have I seen one crack, break, or leak. I've had brass fitting pull out (just happened when I was checking one the other day), fuel line gets brittle (so I check it every time I'm near it), but I've never had an issue with a filter. In the engine compartment I can check it and easily replace it. If it is under the bus, it doesn't get seen, may not be discovered at all, and is a hazard to change. Being under a bus covered in gas is not safe. I recently tried putting a filter under the bus on a bus I was selling, just to avoid comments from the "don't put it in the engine compartment crowd" and experience all kinds of fuel starvation issues (with a newly cleaned out tank, a clean filter, and a new fuel pump). I soon moved it to where it is on every other VW I own and drove on an 800 mile trip with no more fuel issues.
Lind and Clara drive their buses a lot, long distances, as do I. I have yet to see anyone on the other side of the issue show any proof of a fuel filter causing a fire. As Clara said, they tend to stretch these days if put under pressure, rather than crack. I've stomped them, hit them with hammers, and lots of other things and have never cracked one open without extreme measures.
At this point I'm officially declaring myself on the side of in compartment filters.
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62DoKaGuy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| rustybus wrote: |
| EeVeeWee wrote: |
If you think plastic is not under the influence of heat, be my guest, but at least don't put it at the pressure side of the pump, to be sure.
For me there is just one save place for the fuel filter, and that's underneath the tank, above the gearbox. |
I live in Arizona and have been daily driving my buses for close to 30 years here, that whole time with plastic fuel filters in my engine compartment. Never once in that time have I seen one crack, break, or leak. I've had brass fitting pull out (just happened when I was checking one the other day), fuel line gets brittle (so I check it every time I'm near it), but I've never had an issue with a filter. In the engine compartment I can check it and easily replace it. If it is under the bus, it doesn't get seen, may not be discovered at all, and is a hazard to change. Being under a bus covered in gas is not safe. I recently tried putting a filter under the bus on a bus I was selling, just to avoid comments from the "don't put it in the engine compartment crowd" and experience all kinds of fuel starvation issues (with a newly cleaned out tank, a clean filter, and a new fuel pump). I soon moved it to where it is on every other VW I own and drove on an 800 mile trip with no more fuel issues.
Lind and Clara drive their buses a lot, long distances, as do I. I have yet to see anyone on the other side of the issue show any proof of a fuel filter causing a fire. As Clara said, they tend to stretch these days if put under pressure, rather than crack. I've stomped them, hit them with hammers, and lots of other things and have never cracked one open without extreme measures.
At this point I'm officially declaring myself on the side of in compartment filters. |
Although it appears we've drifted off topic for this thread, I figure I'd voice my opinion too and say that I've never had, nor my father before, any problems with plastic filters. It has always been, in the few instances where fuel leaked, a problem somewhere else in the line, namely the hose itself. Still, there were no fires, just that stinky goodness.
Now, I recently moved the filter under the vehicle above the transmission before the firewall to clean up the engine compartment and see what all the fuss is about...it is a pain in the fourth point to get to and annoys me to have to look out of my way to inspect its condition...so, maintain your vehicles, do the checks and services at proper intervals, and enjoy them, with or without plastic fuel filters in the engine compartment. The whole taking sides thing is boring, just make it safe for you, your passengers, and those around you. Cheers and drive on.
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Malokin Martin
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Why risk it? Put it above the gear box and change it every year. No engine fires. No rock chips. No worries. I do mine with the annual front end lube. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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If you have an old bus close the petcock, a newer one put a clamp on the line when you replace the filter. No gas on you and you compartment looks original.
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EeVeeWee
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| rustybus wrote: |
I live in Arizona and have been daily driving my buses for close to 30 years here, that whole time with plastic fuel filters in my engine compartment. Never once in that time have I seen one crack, break, or leak. I've had brass fitting pull out (just happened when I was checking one the other day), fuel line gets brittle (so I check it every time I'm near it), but I've never had an issue with a filter. In the engine compartment I can check it and easily replace it. If it is under the bus, it doesn't get seen, may not be discovered at all, and is a hazard to change. Being under a bus covered in gas is not safe. I recently tried putting a filter under the bus on a bus I was selling, just to avoid comments from the "don't put it in the engine compartment crowd" and experience all kinds of fuel starvation issues (with a newly cleaned out tank, a clean filter, and a new fuel pump). I soon moved it to where it is on every other VW I own and drove on an 800 mile trip with no more fuel issues.
Lind and Clara drive their buses a lot, long distances, as do I. I have yet to see anyone on the other side of the issue show any proof of a fuel filter causing a fire. As Clara said, they tend to stretch these days if put under pressure, rather than crack. I've stomped them, hit them with hammers, and lots of other things and have never cracked one open without extreme measures.
At this point I'm officially declaring myself on the side of in compartment filters. |
I respect your option and good to know you never had problems with the fuel filter. But I don't believe the quality of all plastic filters are the same.
I use good quality fuel hoses and a metal with glass fuel filter. Also I put the filter on a safe place (my opinion).
For the service I can use a pit and I mounted a valve to shut down the fuel hose when I want to replace the filter.
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rustybus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| rustybus wrote: |
I live in Arizona and have been daily driving my buses for close to 30 years here, that whole time with plastic fuel filters in my engine compartment. Never once in that time have I seen one crack, break, or leak. I've had brass fitting pull out (just happened when I was checking one the other day), fuel line gets brittle (so I check it every time I'm near it), but I've never had an issue with a filter. In the engine compartment I can check it and easily replace it. If it is under the bus, it doesn't get seen, may not be discovered at all, and is a hazard to change. Being under a bus covered in gas is not safe. I recently tried putting a filter under the bus on a bus I was selling, just to avoid comments from the "don't put it in the engine compartment crowd" and experience all kinds of fuel starvation issues (with a newly cleaned out tank, a clean filter, and a new fuel pump). I soon moved it to where it is on every other VW I own and drove on an 800 mile trip with no more fuel issues.
Lind and Clara drive their buses a lot, long distances, as do I. I have yet to see anyone on the other side of the issue show any proof of a fuel filter causing a fire. As Clara said, they tend to stretch these days if put under pressure, rather than crack. I've stomped them, hit them with hammers, and lots of other things and have never cracked one open without extreme measures.
At this point I'm officially declaring myself on the side of in compartment filters. |
I respect your option and good to know you never had problems with the fuel filter. But I don't believe the quality of all plastic filters are the same.
I use good quality fuel hoses and a metal with glass fuel filter. Also I put the filter on a safe place (my opinion).
For the service I can use a pit and I mounted a valve to shut down the fuel hose when I want to replace the filter.
Everybody happy. |
I wouldn't care who puts theirs where except I'm tired of hearing people berated on here all the time for where they choose to put it. I tried underneath and it didn't work for me, so I put it where I always have. I don't care where everyone else puts it, just don't want to hear about it from everyone if I show a photo of my engine and it isn't where they like it 
Now back to whining about buses for sale.
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Clara 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
| If you have an old bus close the petcock, a newer one put a clamp on the line when you replace the filter. No gas on you and you compartment looks original. |
You could clamp the side towards the engine as well, as that gas will run out on you even if the petcock is shut off. Then just the stuff in the filter falls on you. 
I use a little more fuel line than some, so when pulling the engine I can pull the engine back, drop it a little, and then disconnect the fuel line from above, rather than underneath. Some gas always falls out.
Reference the current thread where people have difficulty reaching the clutch wingnut to adjust the clutch. If it is hard to adjust the clutch, they may find it awkward to check and/ or change the filter under there. And there are suggestions to remove a tire, put it on jackstands, etc.
But you can put the fuel filter where it is easy to get to!
I agree with Richard, if you want to put it over the tranny on your bus, go ahead, but quit with berating people who put the filter in the engine compartment. |
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EeVeeWee
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| rustybus wrote: |
I wouldn't care who puts theirs where except I'm tired of hearing people berated on here all the time for where they choose to put it. I tried underneath and it didn't work for me, so I put it where I always have. I don't care where everyone else puts it, just don't want to hear about it from everyone if I show a photo of my engine and it isn't where they like it
Now back to whining about buses for sale. |
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EeVeeWee
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| When the quality is really good, also from the parts of the bus which you can't see, I think it's worth it. |
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mandraks
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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i don't care for the floor and the bench seat, but the interior panels look great.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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It it the same Denton's from Georgia i remember from when I was down south then it is built right and I would totally buy this bus! Can I borrow 43,000 dollars from someone?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Always wondered why someone builds something so perfect to their taste and does high quality then sells it. I get moving on but it seems like you'd be selling a kidney or the like. |
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Malokin Martin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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| Always wondered why someone builds something so perfect to their taste and does high quality then sells it. I get moving on but it seems like you'd be selling a kidney or the like. |
"Custom" has a shelf life, which is sometimes measured in weeks. They need to get out from under it ASAP before the "oooh shiny!" crowd moves on to something else.
Pick up an an old VW Trends or Hot VW's - the "super sano" cars that everyone drooled over back then, you wouldn't want to be caught within one nautical mile of today.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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They would be nicer if the bulbs matched .
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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It’s one thing to be asked nicely to do something, but this morning I feel kind of being yelled at
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