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Zundfolge1432 Samba Member
Joined: June 13, 2004 Posts: 12454
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Don’t know if this has already been mentioned but fairly common items take longer to sell. You offer up something rare and price it right and see what happens. |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 17962 Location: Eugene, OR
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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I just wait until I get my Retail price! Then the tire kickers come back kicking themselves because they didn't buy mine! _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold
Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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There was an old website, I once belonged to. in the 90s and on - called Red Pepper Racing.com - a Honda CRX and Civic site... was a big-deal Honda site, like the samba.com is 4 VWs - was busy, busy, busy with classifieds, forums, shows and events... I even sponsored a couple Oklahoma cruises. Boy, that was fun...
Then, little by little as time went by, membership dropped off and by 2016, was no more.. Even the club CRX race car lost sponsorship, from dues.. that was sad for me and I finally sold my 1986 CRX - and that's that.
i remember , return members would ask, in the forums, what has happened to this high energy, high traffic site? It was fading, much like thesamba and the old Model A club's are fading... just is bound to happen. is great, we are experiencing it - the decline, instead of like the returning people are surprised... Everything changes _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Yes, I think is in decline. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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c21darrel Samba Member
Joined: January 22, 2009 Posts: 8206 Location: San Dimas
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iowegian Samba Curmudgeon
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9826 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Don’t know if this has already been mentioned but fairly common items take longer to sell. You offer up something rare and price it right and see what happens. |
This has been my experience since I learned how to post ads on theSamba.com a few months ago. The really good stuff has been flying out of the CornPatch to buyers worldwide with nary a haggle. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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EverettB wrote: |
Moderator note:
Don't post political crap. |
... thank you for your tolerance _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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c21darrel wrote: |
Interesting Zen. I agree items are selling s l o w l y in the classifieds but sales prices of split window buses (most air cooled vw's too) are at or close to all time highs. If you are right, we should see pre 67 bus prices come down soon. |
perspective $$$ blinds people _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK |
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wheel607 Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 1845
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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When I started selling parts many years ago, I also had a real day job. I loved the hobby and would sell to cover expenses and make a few dollars for my projects.
Now, it is hard to find a seller that works a supporting job. They depend on this market for their living. Hence the high prices for junk! And, they really don't know better. It is just a living....no love for the hobby.
There is also a problem with just because it is new old stock, it must be worth a ton. Remember, Volkswagen and all of the suppliers made millions of vehicles and with that millions of parts. The internet has shown that not much is rare anymore.
If anybody thinks I am wrong, try pricing an item from a 60+ year old seller. Then try pricing the same item from a 20-30 year old vendor who was not even around when the part was made, much less care, I mean really care about the Marque. I believe this is the answer to your question "what has changed" |
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 727
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:45 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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People who enter a hobby with the idea of forcing it to become a business deserve all the frustration.
The worst are the clueless who raid junkyards, strip cars of parts, then try to sell common junk on ebay for rare-muscle-car-parts prices. I hate those people. Dumber than that are people I see parting out rare machines, not realizing that the machine is so rare that after they sell a couple parts off of it, they're never going to be able to move the rest - because now it's incomplete, and the market for parts is so small nobody will ever need the rest of it (I'm specifically thinking vintage motorcycles, which seem to attract the worst of the worst of this particularly clueless type of imbecile). They just ruin sh!t thinking rare=money. A lot of these scrap people have, so far as I can tell, more than few screws loose in the parts of the brain that keep our greed in check. It's like a disorder - that can't even consider the machine as a whole, their brain immediately fixates on the idea of destroying it, and then somehow turning that destruction into money. |
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vwinnovator Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 1555 Location: Still doing it in the back of your VW
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:07 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Lately I've been cleaning out the shop...
Throwing away most anything I have multiples of that haven't moved in years.
such as genuine 5 lug vw brake drums that nobody would spend the time or $$ turning..
Cut up and trashed 6 late rusty beetles to free up some space..(2 more next in line)
Picked up a '69 westy with a rough interior that most likely will be gutted and scrapped-not worth the time to clean/refurbish, takes up too much space to hang onto for templates...
Have a 40yd scrap steel container on sight.
End of summer, I'll be loading it with 36hp/40hp engine cores, rear torsion housings, wheels, late bumpers, doors, OG gas tanks, suspension parts..stuff that ppl would rather be buying "new" China repos...
When you aren't selling OG steering boxes and pedal assemblies for a lousy $25, no sense in storing them for year anymore.... |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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wheel607 wrote: |
When I started selling parts many years ago, I also had a real day job. I loved the hobby and would sell to cover expenses and make a few dollars for my projects.
Now, it is hard to find a seller that works a supporting job. They depend on this market for their living. Hence the high prices for junk! And, they really don't know better. It is just a living....no love for the hobby.
There is also a problem with just because it is new old stock, it must be worth a ton. Remember, Volkswagen and all of the suppliers made millions of vehicles and with that millions of parts. The internet has shown that not much is rare anymore.
If anybody thinks I am wrong, try pricing an item from a 60+ year old seller. Then try pricing the same item from a 20-30 year old vendor who was not even around when the part was made, much less care, I mean really care about the Marque. I believe this is the answer to your question "what has changed" |
... thanks for the fodder - i'll chew on that for a while.
I have lowered my samba prices dramatically, yesterday and woke up this morning to 4 emails from folks wanting stuff... still chewing -
I also sell stuff to support my vintage VWs... just bought and bought over the years, cuz I enjoyed all this so much - now in retirement, these parts sales along with other investments help me maintain my vintage VW car collection and hobby... again, thanks for the fodder, _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4124 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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"Hello mudder.....hello fodder....." _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
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VWAdam Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2002 Posts: 3330 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
wheel607 wrote: |
When I started selling parts many years ago, I also had a real day job. I loved the hobby and would sell to cover expenses and make a few dollars for my projects.
Now, it is hard to find a seller that works a supporting job. They depend on this market for their living. Hence the high prices for junk! And, they really don't know better. It is just a living....no love for the hobby.
There is also a problem with just because it is new old stock, it must be worth a ton. Remember, Volkswagen and all of the suppliers made millions of vehicles and with that millions of parts. The internet has shown that not much is rare anymore.
If anybody thinks I am wrong, try pricing an item from a 60+ year old seller. Then try pricing the same item from a 20-30 year old vendor who was not even around when the part was made, much less care, I mean really care about the Marque. I believe this is the answer to your question "what has changed" |
... thanks for the fodder - i'll chew on that for a while.
I have lowered my samba prices dramatically, yesterday and woke up this morning to 4 emails from folks wanting stuff... still chewing -
I also sell stuff to support my vintage VWs... just bought and bought over the years, cuz I enjoyed all this so much - now in retirement, these parts sales along with other investments help me maintain my vintage VW car collection and hobby... again, thanks for the fodder, |
See I find the opposite. People who were around back then still see them as just cars whereas people my age (I'm 32) look at that stuff like it's gold because we weren't around to experience it first hand. Seeing anything in those blue and white NOS boxes just makes me super happy. _________________ All he needed was a wheel in his hand and four on the road.
'59 Euro Beetle ragtop
'63 Standard Microbus
Come to my show! www.volksjam.com
Looking for badge/sticker/frame from Western Motors in Great Falls, Montana |
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22568 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:28 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Being kind and courteous in your dealings costs nothing but can reap rewards. |
This is especially true if you're the buyer, once you start throwing out stupid offers, you have likely alienated the seller. We all like to negotiate, but if you piss the seller off, they're likely to stop dealing with you. Like you, I'd give the next guy a great deal & sweeten the pot just to spite the previous idiot ESPECIALLY if they're still standing there. |
I pay my scrotum sucker friend $500 to go in right before me.... _________________ .ssS! |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli
Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 12815 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:49 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Abscate wrote: |
TDCTDI wrote: |
Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
Being kind and courteous in your dealings costs nothing but can reap rewards. |
This is especially true if you're the buyer, once you start throwing out stupid offers, you have likely alienated the seller. We all like to negotiate, but if you piss the seller off, they're likely to stop dealing with you. Like you, I'd give the next guy a great deal & sweeten the pot just to spite the previous idiot ESPECIALLY if they're still standing there. |
I pay my scrotum sucker friend $500 to go in right before me.... |
If you pay the full asking price, IDGAF how much you paid your nut nuzzler. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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VWAdam wrote: |
ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
wheel607 wrote: |
When I started selling parts many years ago, I also had a real day job. I loved the hobby and would sell to cover expenses and make a few dollars for my projects.
Now, it is hard to find a seller that works a supporting job. They depend on this market for their living. Hence the high prices for junk! And, they really don't know better. It is just a living....no love for the hobby.
There is also a problem with just because it is new old stock, it must be worth a ton. Remember, Volkswagen and all of the suppliers made millions of vehicles and with that millions of parts. The internet has shown that not much is rare anymore.
If anybody thinks I am wrong, try pricing an item from a 60+ year old seller. Then try pricing the same item from a 20-30 year old vendor who was not even around when the part was made, much less care, I mean really care about the Marque. I believe this is the answer to your question "what has changed" |
... thanks for the fodder - i'll chew on that for a while.
I have lowered my samba prices dramatically, yesterday and woke up this morning to 4 emails from folks wanting stuff... still chewing -
I also sell stuff to support my vintage VWs... just bought and bought over the years, cuz I enjoyed all this so much - now in retirement, these parts sales along with other investments help me maintain my vintage VW car collection and hobby... again, thanks for the fodder, |
See I find the opposite. People who were around back then still see them as just cars whereas people my age (I'm 32) look at that stuff like it's gold because we weren't around to experience it first hand. Seeing anything in those blue and white NOS boxes just makes me super happy. |
... this is what I remember - when 1 out of every 4 cars on NJ roads was a VW, back in the 60s... I paid $250 for my first 1950 11G split bug and a dash radio was $500 - a month's wages... a split rear bumper was $450... never been cheap for the older VWs... not "just" a car for me... always been something special and i'm twice your age
... I took this pix on my way to art school in NYC in the 60s = VWs were everywhere - no one wanted a lowly bus - BUGs were all the rage.
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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VWAdam Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2002 Posts: 3330 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
VWAdam wrote: |
ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
wheel607 wrote: |
When I started selling parts many years ago, I also had a real day job. I loved the hobby and would sell to cover expenses and make a few dollars for my projects.
Now, it is hard to find a seller that works a supporting job. They depend on this market for their living. Hence the high prices for junk! And, they really don't know better. It is just a living....no love for the hobby.
There is also a problem with just because it is new old stock, it must be worth a ton. Remember, Volkswagen and all of the suppliers made millions of vehicles and with that millions of parts. The internet has shown that not much is rare anymore.
If anybody thinks I am wrong, try pricing an item from a 60+ year old seller. Then try pricing the same item from a 20-30 year old vendor who was not even around when the part was made, much less care, I mean really care about the Marque. I believe this is the answer to your question "what has changed" |
... thanks for the fodder - i'll chew on that for a while.
I have lowered my samba prices dramatically, yesterday and woke up this morning to 4 emails from folks wanting stuff... still chewing -
I also sell stuff to support my vintage VWs... just bought and bought over the years, cuz I enjoyed all this so much - now in retirement, these parts sales along with other investments help me maintain my vintage VW car collection and hobby... again, thanks for the fodder, |
See I find the opposite. People who were around back then still see them as just cars whereas people my age (I'm 32) look at that stuff like it's gold because we weren't around to experience it first hand. Seeing anything in those blue and white NOS boxes just makes me super happy. |
... this is what I remember - when 1 out of every 4 cars on NJ roads was a VW, back in the 60s... I paid $250 for my first 1950 11G split bug and a dash radio was $500 - a month's wages... a split rear bumper was $450... never been cheap for the older VWs... not "just" a car for me... always been something special and i'm twice your age
... I took this pix on my way to art school in NYC in the 60s = VWs were everywhere - no one wanted a lowly bus - BUGs were all the rage.
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I’ve been VW obsessed since I was about two years old. And I have friends my age who are the same way. They aren’t commonplace anymore. We’ve dragged them out of the woods, junkyards, backyards, swamps and fought to revive these cars despite that we weren’t even alive when they were made. I’m the head organizer of the largest VW show in my state and the majority of those who help me are around my age. I live and breathe these cars.
Not trying to start a pissing contest but I don’t see the younger people being the problem, nor do I see older people being the problem. It’s simply some, both young and old, who are just flippers not enthusiasts. _________________ All he needed was a wheel in his hand and four on the road.
'59 Euro Beetle ragtop
'63 Standard Microbus
Come to my show! www.volksjam.com
Looking for badge/sticker/frame from Western Motors in Great Falls, Montana |
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Splitdog Samba Split Personality
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 4124 Location: Planet VW
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: what has changed? |
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Everybody loves the cars that were around when they were in high school. All the model T guys are gone, or going. Of course, there are anomolies in everything, but mainstream, yes. _________________ CH³NO²
Z = z² + C
Der Blitzkrieg Kafers
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