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gears Samba Member
Joined: October 28, 2002 Posts: 4391 Location: Tamarack, Bend, Kailua
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:16 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Those are both good oils .. and I have to withdraw my criticism of Amsoil. I've recently heard decent feedback from independent testing ..
.. but Amsoil certainly isn't "better" than other oils. Amsoil's merely gamed the internet, like London's "best restaurant" ..
http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/12/08/trip-...exist.html _________________ aka Pablo, Geary
9.36 @ 146 in '86 Hot & Sticky
'90 Syncro Westy SVX
'87 Syncro GL 2.5
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:49 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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so in the end what's the top 3 gear lubes we should be using for protection? not just hype, but real world results. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3461 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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The Redline "NS" 75-90 Gear oil has the combination with the best of both worlds. All the things people been arguing over, this oil satisfies both sides. I been using this in my daily driver, 40 miles a day to work and back. See below from the Redline website
Redline 75W90 "NS":
•Designed for transmissions and transaxles - helps to slow synchros for easier shifting across a broad temperature range
•Popular in Ferrari, Porsche and Subaru transaxles
•Muscle Car applications like Ford Top Loader, Muncie transmissions, Borg-Warner T-10 and Super T-10
•Contains extreme pressure additives like our 75W90 GL-5 oil, but lacks friction modifiers to balance slipperiness
•Improved copper corrosion protection to prolong synchro life
•Helps with lock-up on weak limited-slip differentials-compatible with Red Line Limited Slip Friction Modifier for tuning slippage
•Also used with clutch-type LSDs in racing for maximum lock up
•Recommended for API GL-5, GL-6, MT-1, MIL-L-2105E and SAE J2360 _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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mark tucker Samba Member
Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23937 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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I doubt Ill ever use redline.Ive seen toomuch carnage with it's usage. |
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jpaull Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2005 Posts: 3461 Location: Paradise, Ca
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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mark tucker wrote: |
I doubt Ill ever use redline.Ive seen toomuch carnage with it's usage. |
Carnage with the MTL or MT90 maybe, but no carnage with the Redline NS. The Redline NS is totally different then the other two. _________________ [email protected] MPH 1/4 Mile & 8.1 @ 83.7MPH in 1/8 Mile with Mild Type 1 VW Mag Case 2234cc commuter engine in stock weight bug w/only .491 total lift(CB2292 Cam), 42x37 heads, 48idf's, Street tires, Belt on, Mufflers, Pump gas, video of the run here: https://youtu.be/M3SPqMOKAOg
Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth. |
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Robert H Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2014 Posts: 90 Location: Wichita, KS
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Wow--This has been going on for over 10 years, and still... |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:31 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Robert H wrote: |
Wow--This has been going on for over 10 years, and still... |
Gear lube changes _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5473 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Glenn wrote: |
Gear lube changes |
Are a good idea.
I just filled my Bug swingaxle box with fresh Redline MT90. _________________
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As a general rule, cheap parts are the most expensive parts you can buy. |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:01 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Is there any reason why I should NOT use this in an 091 bus transmission, in a bus?
different packaging, same product number, VV831. (edited to list correct item number)
_________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50336
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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hazetguy wrote: |
Is there any reason why I should NOT use this in an 091 bus transmission, in a bus?
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It doesn't say not to use it in synchronized transaxles and transmissions, but I would say it implies such. Maybe give the manufacturer a call and see what they say. |
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76897 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:39 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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I use Valvoline VV831.
_________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10367 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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Glenn wrote: |
I use Valvoline VV831.
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Anyone know if this
https://www.napacanada.com/en/p/NPF8310
is the same stuff as VV831? NAPA part number is 8310. Coincidence?
The folks at my local Canadian NAPA store said it was supplied to NAPA from Valvoline.
Neil.
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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jalan Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2009 Posts: 75 Location: Underwood, Washington
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10367 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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I started reading that PDF a while back then realized who actually (paid?) for that test. Amsoil! LOL That said, I'd have to think that they at least attempted to be as unbiased as they could.
If the makers of a given gear oil could be more specific, or transparent, with the amount and types of additives within, say, the EP package, (e.g. sulphur) that would really help. And, makers of a given gear oil change labels, packaging, so its hard to know what is what sometimes. (the NAPA stuff I linked to is most likely made by Valvoline or is for sure branded Ashland in the spec sheet)
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15302 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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I don't believe any report prepared by Amsoil.
Are you an Amsoil dristributor? _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63
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jalan Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2009 Posts: 75 Location: Underwood, Washington
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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No, I am not a distributor. I admit I missed that the report was done by Amsoil. Would love to see an independently sponsored one.
I have been using Amsoil for over 25 years. At one point I had a new '93 Chevy 3500HD with their 6.5 TD engine. At 107,000 miles the block cracked. When I replaced it I had them pull the heads. To my amazement you could still see the cross hatch marks from the cylinder honing. It was run with std oil for the first 10k miles for a break in then switched to Amsoil. Made a believer out of me.
Even if you don't believe that Amsoil would come out on top in an independent report you have to give some credibility to the failures of some of the oils in some of the tests. _________________ 1989 Syncro Hardtop, 2.5 '07 Subaru
1991 Carat Hardtop
1995 High Top Eurovan Syncro |
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15302 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:50 am Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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There is no "BEST" oil. All the national brands are so competitive with millions of dollars of research behind them, that they are all equally the same. Amsoil may be just as good as any other brand, but it is not better than any of the rest. If you want to spend the extra cash on Amsoil buying thru the closed pyramid distribution system then go ahead and knock your self out. Amsoil has just done a much better job of manipulating the Internet with their smoke and mirror advertising and the cranking gear counter displays. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63
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jfdestree Samba Member
Joined: March 02, 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Belgium.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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I have a customer who ask me if I could provide him with Rocol additive to use in a rock crushing machine. It is specified by the manufacturer for regular maintenance. Never heard of that before, but I wonder if it could be have any kind of interest in a gearbox?
http://www.eni-q5.com/fileadmin/FILES/novi_pdf-ji__sep.2007_/ROCOL_ASO-R.pdf
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10367 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: GL 4 or GL 5 - "Official Gear Lube Topic" |
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neil68 wrote: |
I use 75W90 GL5 synthetic, ...
Motomaster currently, |
Hi.
I see you have another post mentioning the Motomaster 75w90 GL-5 synthetic
On the label, in product image on Canadiantire web page, I don't see 'Use with non synchromesh transmission'.
Safe to assume it's ok, or rated, for use in a synchromesh transaxle? (WBX transaxle in Vanagon)
Thanks
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Danwvw Samba Member
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