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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

What tool are you guys using to get this off? A shop checked this for me last year and it was topped off. I crawled under the car with the same exact 17mm Allen wrench I use to get the fill plug off my 2002 golf. I just can’t get enough leverage to break it loose . Is this because I was lying under the car or do I need a different tool? Geez. I gave up. Should be full anyway, just checking. No puddles. This is what I was using, and because of the hard fuel line and Bowden tube, I just don’t have the leverage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

I used an allen socket, think it is the same one used to remove the IRS arms. Have no idea about the ease because I filled mine with the body off.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

The fill plug is in one of the worst places considering where it’s located on the body. It’s buried in there behind the fuelline and clutch cable and then the irs arm is below it. The short end is too short to go in front of the irs arm and the long end makes the short side not enough of a lever arm. I was stuck putting the short side in the 17mm nut with the long arm between the ful line and Bowden tube. No good. Probably didn’t help that I was lying under the car with the wheels on the ground.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

I use a hex socket, an extension, and ratchet.

No problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

get one of these and you can use a ratchet and extension to get leverage to remove the plug.
https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Tool-W80681-Soc...len+socket
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

Tim Donahoe wrote:
I use a hex socket, an extension, and ratchet.

No problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

Great! Thanks a lot folks. That black junk is hard to get off. Is that what they used in the 50s to grease the hair back?

As a side note, I never tighten those things that much when I do it myself. I think this is the first time I ever just put the tools away, and said eff it for now.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

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What tool are you guys using to get this off? A shop checked this for me last year and it was topped off. I crawled under the car with the same exact 17mm Allen wrench I use to get the fill plug off my 2002 golf. I just can’t get enough leverage to break it loose . Is this because I was lying under the car or do I need a different tool? Geez. I gave up. Should be full anyway, just checking. No puddles. This is what I was using, and because of the hard fuel line and Bowden tube, I just don’t have the leverage.
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I'll tell you what I do.

I use the SAME 17mm allen wrench as you have. I clean out the recess in the plug of dirt and debris. But THEN I stick a 17mm BOX WRENCH over the LONG END of the allen wrench, insert the LONG END into the fill plug recess, and then turn the 17mm box wrench to get leverage as you hold the allen wrench parallel to the plug (the box wrench should be pretty close to the fill plug, like 1 inch away from it, before the pan "tube"). If you need more leverage - and this should not be tightened to that extent - slip a piece of pipe or grab end of box wrench with ViseGrips or something for more leverage. This never fails for me.

Note that I DO have a 17mm allen socket, 3/8inch drive, but I never seem to use that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

And this is why it is recommended you remove the fill plug before the drain plug. Think you dodged a bullet, no down time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

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And this is why it is recommended you remove the fill plug before the drain plug. Think you dodged a bullet, no down time.
I know not to do that from a long time ago. I sprayed it with kroil for the next time I try.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

It doesn’t help lying on the floor with the car on the ground and squeezing under there.🤢

That may work Cusser! Have to see if I have a 17mm box end. I don’t think I do. What does one do if you still can’t budge it? I can’t see how this would be the case. I was standing right behind the guy that checked it last time and he didn’t use any excessive force or anything. Never had this problem on my other car. I think I’ll try that socket with a long extension.

I also just read a couple threads. Probably would’ve helped if I had warmed the car up, it seems heat allows it to come out easier.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

Frodge wrote:
It doesn’t help lying on the floor with the car on the ground and squeezing under there.🤢

That may work Cusser! Have to see if I have a 17mm box end. I don’t think I do. What does one do if you still can’t budge it? I can’t see how this would be the case.

Well, you need a 17mm box or combination wrench to get the two lower engine mount nuts off. Maybe a 17mm "gear" box wrench will work, don't know what torque those can take though.

I'd think a 1 to 1.5 foot piece of thick steel pipe over the end of the 17mm box wrench will loosen anything !!! Just bigger chance of a 17mm open-end wrench or adjustable wrench slipping, just saying.

I've been using the same metric combination wrenches from JC Penney for 4.5 decades now !!! Very useful.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

Thanks Cusser! I just stopped when I knew I was getting nowhere with what I had at that time. I know if you keep going you wind up rounding it off, which I didn’t do it all. So I’ll try again once I decide what to do. Definitely need more leverage. I didn’t want to crack the fuel filter that is relocated there either.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

If you have the 17mm allen already, just cut a chunk off the long end and insert it in a 17mm socket. Then you can just use a normal ratchet/breaker bar to break it loose.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Trans fill plug 70 bug Reply with quote

They sell 11/16 brass hex sockets at Home Depot. A brass hex socket looks like a regular nut that would go on a bolt, but it is four times as long.

What I do is stick that nut into my short 17mm socket and I have a tool to remove the allen at a fraction of the cost.

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