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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

I think a lot of people think IDFís or DRLAís are too big, but they work great on these engines...especially this one with the longer stroke.

They breathe better and can be tuned more precise, one barrel per cylinder, tuned exactly as needed for each cylinder.

How much hp? No idea, but thereís no comparison in throttle response and quality of carb.

Itís not a cheap swap for sure...$300 for manifolds and $600-$800 for carbs, not to mention a good linkage
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

txoval wrote:
Great looking car and motor.

If you ever get the urge for a little more power, I highly recommend going to a set of dual 36DRLAs with Ray's manifolds.

When I switched to 36IDF's it made a huge difference...if I do it again, I'll go DRLA's over IDFs...more progression holes for smoother throttle

You can check out my photos for pics


I plan to do a carb upgrade after a few more miles. I have the Speedwell manifolds, but will be using Solex 40 P-IIís. They are completely rebuilt with smaller venturiís, ready to go. Linkage will be modified Porsche 356 setup. Thatís the goal. Would like to run the Knecht filters I have, but donít think they will fit. I have a couple sets of velocity stacks to play with.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

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They are completely rebuilt with smaller venturiís, ready to go.


how small?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Solex P40-IIís Very Happy

I looked at installing P-40's, but ended up with Zenith 32 NDIX's. They're supposed to be better suited for a 1600cc engine that doesn't go above 5K.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

sled wrote:
Big_E_Deluxe wrote:
They are completely rebuilt with smaller venturiís, ready to go.


how small?


26mm
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Canít argue with P40ís, vintage correct

It will run awesome

I had custom 24 vents made for my 36IDFs, but I also had stock stroke and bore
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Short drive-by video:

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Still tuning suspension. Pirelli CN36 185's up front now, matching the rear. Handling feels very neutral, lot's of grip. Still learning it's capabilities. Braking is excellent with 356B drums. As mentioned before, I'm running a larger 3/4" sway bar up front on 2" narrowed beam + restored Empi split-case camber compensator in the rear. All new stock bushings front & rear, no red urethane. Koni Classic shocks front & rear, I still need to adjust them, currently set at softest setting. I've read that approximately 1 1/2 turns each might be a good start. Ride quality is not harsh in anyway, soft with plenty of travel, but with reduced body roll. Feels like it could be a little stiffer, but not much. Still very fun to drive. Engine continues to perform well. Not pushing it, staying around 3k - 3.5k rpm max right now.

More updates to come....


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

That looks great! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

This is a very very Classy bug ! Kudos to the builder....I would not change a thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

the stock engine was designed to run at 3400rpms all day long. With your build, some blasts to 4500-5000 are not going to hurt it.

Glad it is running well, making me miss my 54
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Wow! Nicely done!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

After the first time I saw a Porsche Abarth with a Sebring exhaust, I thought, 'I've gotta get one of those for my 52'. I know if you have to ask you can't afford it, but,how much was that thing? I've been running one of Joe's abarth repros for over 20,000 miles and like it, but I just love that single center pipe.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

D. Haviland wrote:
After the first time I saw a Porsche Abarth with a Sebring exhaust, I thought, 'I've gotta get one of those for my 52'. I know if you have to ask you can't afford it, but,how much was that thing? I've been running one of Joe's abarth repros for over 20,000 miles and like it, but I just love that single center pipe.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Some nice shots of Max at Cars and Coffee this weekend. Click on photo to enlarge. Photo credit: William Panik (@wpanik - Instagram)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

I had a couple questions regarding the dash layout & mods...here's a legend. "Map Lamp" is a license plate light, not sure what car it's off, might be universal. On/Off switch for map light is located under dash. It works really well, lots of light without distracting driver. Dash gauge grills are from Grumpy's Metal in Huntington Beach. Missing from shot on far right is vintage rally badge mounted to glove box and NOS Bosch accessory power plug mounted under dash for Helphos spot light, etc. Shift knob is Porsche 917 style which matched the steering wheel perfectly. Rest of interior is stock red brown/grey with vintage race style seat belts. Functional, purpose built design based on stuff you might be able to get at this time period. Everything works as it should.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

What a stunning car! Great choices throughout
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Update.....

Engine: Continues to run great. Slowly starting to push the rpm's higher. Drove a few sustained miles over the weekend at 75 mph with engine rpm at 3000k to 3200k. Smooth all the way. I have a few bolt-on mods coming to add performance, will update when they arrive from California. Really want to do the Solex carb upgrade, but that will need to wait a little bit longer. Short video of engine idling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMZ6RaSHPk4

Suspension: I tried adjusting the Koni Classic shocks, but ended up going back to the softest setting. I tried many different rebound combinations front and rear, but it never felt better, just became a little sketchy to be honest. Feels fine just the way it is.
I also mounted up CSP's Front Suspension Stiffener: https://www.csp-shop.com/en/front-axle/csp-front-suspension-stiffener-498-001-111a-12657a.html. I noticed an improvement to cornering, more predictable, but nothing dramatic. Install was easy, bolt-on. I have some more suspension mods coming as well and will update when they are finished. Mods are intended to fix ride height up front to reduce tire rub and improve handling.

Body: Haven't changed or added anything, but I do have a couple subtle changes in the works. Just received some parts from France that need to be painted. Will update when mounted.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Hi Erik!
Glad to "hear" your engine is running strong/smooth. I'm running OG SANDCAST Solex 40 P-11's with 28mm venturi's.
A little sluggish at low RPM's but when you get above 1200 RPM's, hold on to your seat. At freeway speeds,....i'm doing 70mph
and when nail the throttle, you can feel yourself being pushed back in your seat! I love it! I've had it over 100mph
and still picking up speed but had to back off since i'm running bias/radial tires and was afraid I might blow the tires off the rims Sad.
Not sure if they were designed for that speed.... Pray The engine temp. never went over 200* with that AIRFLOW SYSTEMS 36hp
aluminum oil cooler. I highly recommend it!
BTW: Whats "different" about these Solex 40 P-11's and air filters? Think
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txoval wrote:
Great looking car and motor.

If you ever get the urge for a little more power, I highly recommend going to a set of dual 36DRLAs with Ray's manifolds.

When I switched to 36IDF's it made a huge difference...if I do it again, I'll go DRLA's over IDFs...more progression holes for smoother throttle

You can check out my photos for pics


I plan to do a carb upgrade after a few more miles. I have the Speedwell manifolds, but will be using Solex 40 P-IIís. They are completely rebuilt with smaller venturiís, ready to go. Linkage will be modified Porsche 356 setup. Thatís the goal. Would like to run the Knecht filters I have, but donít think they will fit. I have a couple sets of velocity stacks to play with.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

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BTW: Whats "different" about these Solex 40 P-11's and air filters? Think
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Thanks Joe! Yes, it's running great! I do have an Airflow Systems oil cooler ready for install once Solex carbs are mounted. I'm going to try my 40 P-II's with 26mm venturi's first to see if it helps the low end, we will see. Your filters look like Kinecht, but there is no breather hole or stamped product info on top. What's the story on these? The carb bodies are missing some of the details I have on mine...are they early sandcast?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 1958 Outlaw Beetle Build Reply with quote

Ah....You noticed that the Knecht logo nor the breather hole isn't there. These carburetors and air cleaners came off a 1950's Porsche Carrera 4 cam engine.
They are not zinc die cast metal but rather sand cast aluminum which gives 'em their silver finish. The air cleaners are in fact Knecht but real early without
their logo's nor breather hole. They came on my Denzel engine in my patina lowlight Ghia. BTW, I love that video of your beetle making a pass. Sounds good!

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BTW: Whats "different" about these Solex 40 P-11's and air filters? Think
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Thanks Joe! Yes, it's running great! I do have an Airflow Systems oil cooler ready for install once Solex carbs are mounted. I'm going to try my 40 P-II's with 26mm venturi's first to see if it helps the low end, we will see. Your filters look like Kinecht, but there is no breather hole or stamped product info on top. What's the story on these? The carb bodies are missing some of the details I have on mine...are they early sandcast?

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