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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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In one of my many trips to urgent care facilities (until I found one that said all I needed was a few stitches and not an amputation), I met a lady who almost lost two fingers when cleaning a deli slicer. She had the scars to prove it. Ugh.... Speak to the hand

Per the UV dye, light, and goggles, there's no leak at the distributor.

As for the breather......the road draft tube is clear and there's no aftermarket rubber boot on it. The hose is in the same position it has been in for a year. Our fan shroud has a (taped up) nipple for a hose and there's a charcoal/evaporative canister with a hose running from the gas tank area to one end. The other end has a hose that just drapes down into the engine bay. This has long been the case though.

Our air cleaner has only one nipple and it carries the hose from the oil filler stand. Is this okay? We can take pics of anything if need be. Heading deeper into Kansas late tomorrow.


In reviewing the pic you posted again, I find it interesting that there's a little pool of oil on that galley plug and a trail down from the mesa it sits on to the sender, but no trail across the mesa itself where the plug sits is showing up. This makes me wonder if there's a microscopic crack there, down the side, between the flat top and the sender. Cracks like this only seem to expand enough to leak at full hot temp at highway speeds.

I've never seen a case crack there so I am probably full of it, but then... Think

Either that or you're still getting oil creep out from under your JB and the picture I'm looking at is an anomaly.

Check to see if your sender is loose again.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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In one of my many trips to urgent care facilities (until I found one that said all I needed was a few stitches and not an amputation), I met a lady who almost lost two fingers when cleaning a deli slicer. She had the scars to prove it. Ugh.... Speak to the hand

Per the UV dye, light, and goggles, there's no leak at the distributor.

As for the breather......the road draft tube is clear and there's no aftermarket rubber boot on it. The hose is in the same position it has been in for a year. Our fan shroud has a (taped up) nipple for a hose and there's a charcoal/evaporative canister with a hose running from the gas tank area to one end. The other end has a hose that just drapes down into the engine bay. This has long been the case though.

Our air cleaner has only one nipple and it carries the hose from the oil filler stand. Is this okay? We can take pics of anything if need be. Heading deeper into Kansas late tomorrow.


In reviewing the pic you posted again, I find it interesting that there's a little pool of oil on that galley plug and a trail down from the mesa it sits on to the sender, but no trail across the mesa itself where the plug sits is showing up. This makes me wonder if there's a microscopic crack there, down the side, between the flat top and the sender. Cracks like this only seem to expand enough to leak at full hot temp at highway speeds.

I've never seen a case crack there so I am probably full of it, but then... Think

Either that or you're still getting oil creep out from under your JB and the picture I'm looking at is an anomaly.

Check to see if your sender is loose again.


Sender isn't loose again. We put a fresh o-ring on this distributor when we installed it in February. Never slid the distributor bracket over it. We'd replace it but can't find our replacement rings even though someone gave us a few last summer. We're leaving KC tomorrow and are planning on stopping by a VW place before hitting the road across Kansas to Ft. Collins, CO and we'll see if they have o-rings.

The only thing we've done so far that cut down on the oil leak is put JB Weld on the spot mentioned on the previous page. Might need some more. Or maybe there is a crack and we inadvertently covered most but not all of it?

Oh....we were passed on the right today for the first time since NJ. Go KC!!! Also saw a guy towing a Baja through town. He beeped and waved at us. Maybe that undoes the passing? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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In one of my many trips to urgent care facilities (until I found one that said all I needed was a few stitches and not an amputation), I met a lady who almost lost two fingers when cleaning a deli slicer. She had the scars to prove it. Ugh.... Speak to the hand

Per the UV dye, light, and goggles, there's no leak at the distributor.

As for the breather......the road draft tube is clear and there's no aftermarket rubber boot on it. The hose is in the same position it has been in for a year. Our fan shroud has a (taped up) nipple for a hose and there's a charcoal/evaporative canister with a hose running from the gas tank area to one end. The other end has a hose that just drapes down into the engine bay. This has long been the case though.

Our air cleaner has only one nipple and it carries the hose from the oil filler stand. Is this okay? We can take pics of anything if need be. Heading deeper into Kansas late tomorrow.


In reviewing the pic you posted again, I find it interesting that there's a little pool of oil on that galley plug and a trail down from the mesa it sits on to the sender, but no trail across the mesa itself where the plug sits is showing up. This makes me wonder if there's a microscopic crack there, down the side, between the flat top and the sender. Cracks like this only seem to expand enough to leak at full hot temp at highway speeds.

I've never seen a case crack there so I am probably full of it, but then... Think

Either that or you're still getting oil creep out from under your JB and the picture I'm looking at is an anomaly.

Check to see if your sender is loose again.


Sender isn't loose again. We put a fresh o-ring on this distributor when we installed it in February. Never slid the distributor bracket over it. We'd replace it but can't find our replacement rings even though someone gave us a few last summer. We're leaving KC tomorrow and are planning on stopping by a VW place before hitting the road across Kansas to Ft. Collins, CO and we'll see if they have o-rings.

The only thing we've done so far that cut down on the oil leak is put JB Weld on the spot mentioned on the previous page. Might need some more. Or maybe there is a crack and we inadvertently covered most but not all of it?

Oh....we were passed on the right today for the first time since NJ. Go KC!!! Also saw a guy towing a Baja through town. He beeped and waved at us. Maybe that undoes the passing? Very Happy


Sender not being loose again is good news. If there was a crack between the galley plug and sender hole it likely would be loosening up due to expansion when hot.

If you are not getting oil from under the distributor I doubt replacing the ring will do any good whatsoever. You'd have a definite trail down the case from the low side of the distributor area.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

We've had a lot of good adventures since our last post but haven't had a chance to put up pics and whatnot. And then today we had a pretty big misadventure and it seems more appropriate to start with that.

What follows is long so if you don't like that sort of thing......

In the last 36 hours or so, we started to notice an eccentricity at idle: if we were at a long enough stop light or if we stopped to take a picture with the engine running, the idle would begin to bog down. Sometimes it'd get progressively lower and then would stall. It sounded exactly like it was slowly running out of gas. While driving, everything was normal and fine so we weren't overly worried.

This morning, we figured we'd start by running through a tune up. The only slightly odd thing was that the plugs were on the richer side of normal. A very dark chocolate brown. Everything else was good after an otherwise normal drive but we discovered that the timing was a bit advanced. We brought it back to 0* at TDC with the vacuum line plugged.

Right away we noticed that the bus was sluggish off the line and seemed to drive as if we had the e-brake on. After a few minutes, the #'s on our CHT gauge started climbing into the worry zone. We pulled over to look. Nothing was awry. After a while, there was what felt like a misfire and the hesitation got worse. We pulled over at a gas station. Since we'd gone through the plugs and plug wires this morning, we assumed it had to be a fuel delivery issue.

Popped the fuel line off the carb. Started the engine up and it ran on so there was fuel in the bowl but almost nothing came out of the line from the pump. We figured there must be a fuel restriction somewhere before the pump. Looked at the clear plastic filter back by the trans. It was full of gas so we figured there wasn't an obstruction b/w the tank and the filter. Pulled the line off the engine end of the filter. It flowed freely so no restriction in the filter. We figured it must be the fuel pump. Replaced it and started the motor back up. There were good solid spurts of gas from the line. Buttoned everything back up. Hesitation was even worse and the CHT #'s quickly climbed.

WTF???

We were still convinced we were dealing with a fuel delivery issue and the only thing left was the carburetor, so off came the German 30 PICT 3 and on went the Brazilian H 30/31. Then it seemed to drive even worse and the CHT numbers climbed again.

D/A/N was mulling over our progress and said, "It's driving as if there's no spark advance." Eureka! I pulled over, checked out the distributor and found that the unfortunately named "suck test" didn't work. The advance plate first moved when we blew through the hose. It didn't have any tension on it - it moved freely by hand. Turns out, the spring had popped off. Put in our backup distributor and now we're more or less back to normal. What we still don't know is whether or not the bogging and sometimes stalling at idle was a carburetor issue or a precursor to this distributor issue, or what. Maybe in a few days when we seek our shadier places and cooler temperatures, we'll put the original carburetor back on and see what it tells us.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Good investigation work. Glad you're back up and running. Where are the travel pics?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Spike0180 wrote:
Good investigation work. Glad you're back up and running. Where are the travel pics?


Yes, we have loads of pictures to upload but in Wyoming we’ve only had 3G service and it took many tries just to load this reply so I don’t think it’ll handle pics.

We had a few more mishaps when we still had good service and so we were focused on repair more than anything else.

Our trusty 30 PICT 3 carb started acting funny. Idle was real high and the timing was way advanced. When removing the vac line to reset timing, the engine would stall. Turned up idle speed so we could get it to idle at 850 without the vac line so we could time it but as soon as we reconnected the line the timing would advance. It became essentially untimeable. Put on our backup carb (Brazilian 30/31 PICT) and we were back to normal.

What goes bad in a carb to make it produce so much vacuum at Idle?

Pics as soon as we get better service, promise!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

neena wrote:
Spike0180 wrote:
Good investigation work. Glad you're back up and running. Where are the travel pics?


Yes, we have loads of pictures to upload but in Wyoming we’ve only had 3G service and it took many tries just to load this reply so I don’t think it’ll handle pics.

We had a few more mishaps when we still had good service and so we were focused on repair more than anything else.

Our trusty 30 PICT 3 carb started acting funny. Idle was real high and the timing was way advanced. When removing the vac line to reset timing, the engine would stall. Turned up idle speed so we could get it to idle at 850 without the vac line so we could time it but as soon as we reconnected the line the timing would advance. It became essentially untimeable. Put on our backup carb (Brazilian 30/31 PICT) and we were back to normal.

What goes bad in a carb to make it produce so much vacuum at Idle?

Pics as soon as we get better service, promise!


Hiya Guys!

Sorry, but this is a new one on me, esp. since the engine is actually what makes the vacuum and not the carb. I am wondering if somehow our old pal the throttle positioner might be involved. I am wondering if somehow the regulating diaphragm on the body mounted unit got torn... this could cause a hell of a leak and skew things. Do you have this installed on the backup carb?

Just a SWAG. Glad you're back on the road.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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Spike0180 wrote:
Good investigation work. Glad you're back up and running. Where are the travel pics?


Yes, we have loads of pictures to upload but in Wyoming we’ve only had 3G service and it took many tries just to load this reply so I don’t think it’ll handle pics.

We had a few more mishaps when we still had good service and so we were focused on repair more than anything else.

Our trusty 30 PICT 3 carb started acting funny. Idle was real high and the timing was way advanced. When removing the vac line to reset timing, the engine would stall. Turned up idle speed so we could get it to idle at 850 without the vac line so we could time it but as soon as we reconnected the line the timing would advance. It became essentially untimeable. Put on our backup carb (Brazilian 30/31 PICT) and we were back to normal.

What goes bad in a carb to make it produce so much vacuum at Idle?

Pics as soon as we get better service, promise!


Hiya Guys!

Sorry, but this is a new one on me, esp. since the engine is actually what makes the vacuum and not the carb. I am wondering if somehow our old pal the throttle positioner might be involved. I am wondering if somehow the regulating diaphragm on the body mounted unit got torn... this could cause a hell of a leak and skew things. Do you have this installed on the backup carb?

Just a SWAG. Glad you're back on the road.


I guess we were thinking that maybe a plug instead the carb body came loose or something. But yeah, the throttle positioner might be suspect because we’re not using it with the backup carb.

We might not be all the way back on the road just yet. Our heater box to muffler exhaust leak has become untreatable (neither Permatex nor JB Weld work a damn anymore) and exhaust just spews out of the joint there like a second tailpipe but louder, more annoying, and really smelly.

That combined with 7500’ altitude is leaving us pretty underpowered! We’re seriously considering having heater box repair ends emergency shipped to us and getting them welded on somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

neena wrote:
Tram wrote:
neena wrote:
Spike0180 wrote:
Good investigation work. Glad you're back up and running. Where are the travel pics?


Yes, we have loads of pictures to upload but in Wyoming we’ve only had 3G service and it took many tries just to load this reply so I don’t think it’ll handle pics.

We had a few more mishaps when we still had good service and so we were focused on repair more than anything else.

Our trusty 30 PICT 3 carb started acting funny. Idle was real high and the timing was way advanced. When removing the vac line to reset timing, the engine would stall. Turned up idle speed so we could get it to idle at 850 without the vac line so we could time it but as soon as we reconnected the line the timing would advance. It became essentially untimeable. Put on our backup carb (Brazilian 30/31 PICT) and we were back to normal.

What goes bad in a carb to make it produce so much vacuum at Idle?

Pics as soon as we get better service, promise!


Hiya Guys!

Sorry, but this is a new one on me, esp. since the engine is actually what makes the vacuum and not the carb. I am wondering if somehow our old pal the throttle positioner might be involved. I am wondering if somehow the regulating diaphragm on the body mounted unit got torn... this could cause a hell of a leak and skew things. Do you have this installed on the backup carb?

Just a SWAG. Glad you're back on the road.


I guess we were thinking that maybe a plug instead the carb body came loose or something. But yeah, the throttle positioner might be suspect because we’re not using it with the backup carb.

We might not be all the way back on the road just yet. Our heater box to muffler exhaust leak has become untreatable (neither Permatex nor JB Weld work a damn anymore) and exhaust just spews out of the joint there like a second tailpipe but louder, more annoying, and really smelly.

That combined with 7500’ altitude is leaving us pretty underpowered! We’re seriously considering having heater box repair ends emergency shipped to us and getting them welded on somewhere.


Ah, shit on the exhaust leak. As a last resort you might try carefully removing the clamp, wrapping a bit of fiberglass repair tape around it to encapsulate the leak, replacing the clamp, then use a hose clamp before and after the joint to seal this stuff to the muff and HB. It "melts in" and hardens with heat. Worth a try anyways, I think:

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Carbs are a PITA for use in drastic changes of altitude. Once you get down about 4500 feet or less it'll get its mojo back. Until then... enjoy the scenery! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Another option might be something like this:

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Clamp off, slide gasket back, pack this stuff into the joint, slide gasket back, clamp, let it idle to pre- cure, drive. If the O ring gasket is shot and you have a fresh one, slice the gasket in half and pack the two pieces into this stuff, making sure the cuts are OPPOSITE the two breaks in the clamp. This way you don't need to separate the box and muffler if you no wanna.

I somehow cracked the exhaust manifold on the Morbidly Obese Fat Chick M-B Bus about six hours from home. I put the wood stove fix on it just over the crack and it got me almost all the way till it too cracked. Your repair will be far more stable than that was. REALLY pack this crap in because it'll shrink.

If you really want to hedge your bets do both.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

Wood stove door gasket (the woven tape or rope stuff sold by the foot) also makes a good roadside repair, some sheet metal flashing or the side of a bean can and a couple of worm style hose clamps to hold it on has worked for me in the past.

In regards to the high idle; what happens if you disconnect the throttle cable?, if the vac advance is making vacuum it means the throttle plate is open a little. Another possibility is a loose butterfly in the cross shaft.
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Wood stove door gasket (the woven tape or rope stuff sold by the foot) also makes a good roadside repair, some sheet metal flashing or the side of a bean can and a couple of worm style hose clamps to hold it on has worked for me in the past.

In regards to the high idle; what happens if you disconnect the throttle cable?, if the vac advance is making vacuum it means the throttle plate is open a little. Another possibility is a loose butterfly in the cross shaft.


Excellent idea and probably more user friendly than my messier ideas. Good thought on the carb as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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Wood stove door gasket (the woven tape or rope stuff sold by the foot) also makes a good roadside repair, some sheet metal flashing or the side of a bean can and a couple of worm style hose clamps to hold it on has worked for me in the past.

In regards to the high idle; what happens if you disconnect the throttle cable?, if the vac advance is making vacuum it means the throttle plate is open a little. Another possibility is a loose butterfly in the cross shaft.


Excellent idea and probably more user friendly than my messier ideas. Good thought on the carb as well.


Our donut gasket disintegrated so we cut one and put it on. We used the stove gasket cement Tram recommended, and the wood stove door gasket busdaddy recommended. Only thing is, there’s no more room to fit a can over everything. Should I not have used the exhaust clamp and let the donut, the ring, the cement, the stove gasket, and then a can and big hose clamps without the stock clamp?

The most common refrain when working on this is “fucking mustache bar!!!” It leaves next to no room to maneuver.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

neena wrote:
Tram wrote:
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Wood stove door gasket (the woven tape or rope stuff sold by the foot) also makes a good roadside repair, some sheet metal flashing or the side of a bean can and a couple of worm style hose clamps to hold it on has worked for me in the past.

In regards to the high idle; what happens if you disconnect the throttle cable?, if the vac advance is making vacuum it means the throttle plate is open a little. Another possibility is a loose butterfly in the cross shaft.


Excellent idea and probably more user friendly than my messier ideas. Good thought on the carb as well.


Our donut gasket disintegrated so we cut one and put it on. We used the stove gasket cement Tram recommended, and the wood stove door gasket busdaddy recommended. Only thing is, there’s no more room to fit a can over everything. Should I not have used the exhaust clamp and let the donut, the ring, the cement, the stove gasket, and then a can and big hose clamps without the stock clamp?

The most common refrain when working on this is “fucking mustache bar!!!” It leaves next to no room to maneuver.


That "Fucking mustache bar!" song has been around since 1968. I think it was Steppenwolf. Smile

But seriously... if you have it all packed tight with the clamp holding it in, let it get good and warm at idle and give it a whirl.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

We did a short drive with our new exhaust wrap, and conditions have definitely improved. Now we’ll wait and see how long it lasts.

Many more fun vacation pics to upload, but we’ve had terrible phone and wifi service. Just found a Starbucks, so here are some pics of today’s adventure:

First, the disintegrated donut gasket and the repair materials & tools


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Next, the fat wrap I concocted

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Last, a reminder to all those girls who hashtag “vanlife” on photos involving their ass cheeks and/or yoga poses, here’s a reminder of what it’s really like to live out of a VW...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

neena wrote:
We did a short drive with our new exhaust wrap, and conditions have definitely improved. Now we’ll wait and see how long it lasts.

Many more fun vacation pics to upload, but we’ve had terrible phone and wifi service. Just found a Starbucks, so here are some pics of today’s adventure:

First, the disintegrated donut gasket and the repair materials & tools


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.







Next, the fat wrap I concocted

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



Last, a reminder to all thise girls who hashtag “vanlife” on photos involving their ass cheeks and/or yoga poses, here’s a reminder of what it’s really like to live out of a VW...

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Idea: See if you can get two hose clamps on that wrap fore and aft and maybe work some of that thur SEE ment into the fat wrap after.


Last, a reminder to all thise girls who hashtag “vanlife” on photos involving their ass cheeks and/or yoga poses, here’s a reminder of what it’s really like to live out of a VW...

LMAO!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

How's the finger?

EDIT: Oh Em Gee... no self respecting ass cheek pumping yoga posing vanlife bae should EVER be photographed at the Great Satan... Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

neena wrote:
Last, a reminder to all thise girls who hashtag “vanlife” on photos involving their ass cheeks and/or yoga poses, here’s a reminder of what it’s really like to live out of a VW...

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Ha ha!, no likes and re-tweets for you!

I was just battling the F'n mustache bar today myself, your question reminded me that my bus had developed a tick tick tick leak on one of those joints. I ended up putting a jack under the engine and unbolting the bar, it wouldn't come out completely but I did manage to shove it forward and backwards to gain access to the clamps a little better, just a thought for next time.

Faced with your situation if I couldn't get a wrap of tin and some worm clamps to work I'd consider filing off the little flange on the muffler and using something like this: http://www.aeroexhaust.com/2-lap-joint-exhaust-band-clamps.html if I could find one in a small enough size.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

ahhh...the fucking mustsmash bar.

I reworked mine, welded diamond flanges to the header and heat exchangers and use the gaskets that go to the head. zero issues and no more mustsmash bar bullshit
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

The good news: my bootleg muffler wrap made it over 100 miles from Laramie, WY to Casper, WY.

Our gas mileage this tank was ABYSMAL but we'll wait one more tank before truly panicking and asking questions. At altitude, our Type 3 would lose power but gain MPG but in the poor bus is it seems to suffer both loss of power and get crappy mpg at altitude Crying or Very sad That said....a drop from over 7200' down to 5000' and it drives so much better it's like a different vehicle.

Speaking of carbs and to go back to busdaddy's question about our old carb's high idle.....We didn't disconnect the throttle cable but we did check to see if the throttle was hanging open and it wasn't. We tried pulling it closed but it was already closed. I guess that rules out the throttle positioner holding the butterfly open or even just a stuck accelerator cable.

We looked at the carb again today. The butterfly isn't loose and there's no play in it at all. Everything looks and feels tight including the nuts on either side of the butterfly. Anything else we should look at or think about while this carb is "on the bench"?


skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
ahhh...the fucking mustsmash bar.

I reworked mine, welded diamond flanges to the header and heat exchangers and use the gaskets that go to the head. zero issues and no more mustsmash bar bullshit


D/A/N has been trying to convince me for years that we should go the flanges route on our Type 3 and on this bus ever since our first few exhaust leaks. I've been ambivalent for no good reason, but after spending so much time over multiple days fiddling with the current setup, I am now completely over the worthless donut gaskets! But what size is the stock exhaust tubing? Is it 1 5/16"? Whether we do flanges or find a clamp like busdaddy showed, it'd help to know just what size we're looking for!


Oh, and I almost forgot, we managed to finish the day with 2 small indignities. Upon arrival in Casper, we pulled into a gas station, and when D/A/N tried to roll his window down, it came unglued from the lifter channel. Then, when we were 2 left turns away from our sleep spot, one of the left turn signal bulbs blew. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures Reply with quote

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The good news: my bootleg muffler wrap made it over 100 miles from Laramie, WY to Casper, WY.

Our gas mileage this tank was ABYSMAL but we'll wait one more tank before truly panicking and asking questions. At altitude, our Type 3 would lose power but gain MPG but in the poor bus is it seems to suffer both loss of power and get crappy mpg at altitude Crying or Very sad That said....a drop from over 7200' down to 5000' and it drives so much better it's like a different vehicle.

Speaking of carbs and to go back to busdaddy's question about our old carb's high idle.....We didn't disconnect the throttle cable but we did check to see if the throttle was hanging open and it wasn't. We tried pulling it closed but it was already closed. I guess that rules out the throttle positioner holding the butterfly open or even just a stuck accelerator cable.

We looked at the carb again today. The butterfly isn't loose and there's no play in it at all. Everything looks and feels tight including the nuts on either side of the butterfly. Anything else we should look at or think about while this carb is "on the bench"?


skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
ahhh...the fucking mustsmash bar.

I reworked mine, welded diamond flanges to the header and heat exchangers and use the gaskets that go to the head. zero issues and no more mustsmash bar bullshit


D/A/N has been trying to convince me for years that we should go the flanges route on our Type 3 and on this bus ever since our first few exhaust leaks. I've been ambivalent for no good reason, but after spending so much time over multiple days fiddling with the current setup, I am now completely over the worthless donut gaskets! But what size is the stock exhaust tubing? Is it 1 5/16"? Whether we do flanges or find a clamp like busdaddy showed, it'd help to know just what size we're looking for!


Oh, and I almost forgot, we managed to finish the day with 2 small indignities. Upon arrival in Casper, we pulled into a gas station, and when D/A/N tried to roll his window down, it came unglued from the lifter channel. Then, when we were 2 left turns away from our sleep spot, one of the left turn signal bulbs blew. Rolling Eyes


Somebody on here sells those flanges specifically for VW. Was it [email protected]? They seem like a good idea but my only concern would be if I needed a muffler on the road somewhere and having to have them welded. Of course, you could always keep a second set of flanges for that possibility.

I think your real issue was that damn gasket, frankly. I think the one on the other side is that NOS Type 3 one. Maybe just some NOS West German gaskets with a bit of that cement behind it for good measure will be all you need till you get back home.

As to abysmal MPG- that's the difference between "computerized" electronic injection and a carb. Up in the Sun Valley altitudes, forget about worrying about "fuel economy" in a carbed ACVW unless you're jetted for it. Even then it's not great. The exhaust leak didn't help MPG either.

Ugh on the window. I think it loves you! Rolling Eyes
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