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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:37 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

BTW get rid of any other colored fuses than the red and white. Any other color will almost certainly be too high of amperage. That will in turn not protect a wire from burning and possibly taking out all the rest of the wiring at same time when you get a short.

Should really only have white 8AMP fuses all across, except possibly for the radio uses the one red.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

From the 1960-64 replacement owners manual. This should work with the previous fuse box image:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Thats perfect actually looks just like mine plus or minus a few wires... now if i could just find the diagram ill be set.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Ya if I'm not mistaken all the fuses should be the white 8amp if I'm correct... although that fuse box picture is a tad different than mine but i believe i can make it work just need a color coded diagram to trace it all back
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

oddengineer wrote:
Ya if I'm not mistaken all the fuses should be the white 8amp if I'm correct... although that fuse box picture is a tad different than mine but i believe i can make it work just need a color coded diagram to trace it all back


Use the later fuse box diagram in the "Wiring" section you can access thru the "Technical" button above. While wired differently the wire colors are the same, with each wire named for where each comes from and goes to.

Once you get used to the colors you can work on most any other Euro automobile of the time. The manufactures of automobiles over there agreed to standardize wiring so that most any mechanic could work on most of the cars over there with just wiring color knowledge. That way each manufacture did not need a specialist in each town across Europe to fix wiring problems.

Do take a few minutes to read the article at the bottom of the wiring web page titled:

Understanding European Wiring Diagrams from Motor Magazine
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Will do thank you for all the help hopefully i can trace it all down and eliminate any wires that aren't being used or can be cut down to allow for less clutter
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

oddengineer wrote:
Will do thank you for all the help hopefully i can trace it all down and eliminate any wires that aren't being used or can be cut down to allow for less clutter


Well if any wires look like they might be OG, it is best to neatly loop them up for now. Try to not hack off wires that later you find you need!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Oh ya definitely i won't be cutting or eliminating wires that look og I'll trace them as best i can or leave them disconnected and see what is not working before i do any of that
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Instead of starting a new topic I will post in this one.

I have an 8 terminal screw terminal DC. Bus has been converted to 12V. Trying to sort out the electrical system currently. I can't get my oil and generator lights to work. In both the 59 and 61 diagrams there is a wire running for terminal 15 on the ignition switch to the oil light on the pod. Mine doesn't have that currently. I wired it up that way and with the key in the on position the wire gets smoking hot. The lights work and go off once the bus is started but something isn't correct. I also am having issues with the flasher relay buzzing when the turn signal switch in in the center position and the key is on. When I unplug the flasher indicator light from the speedo pod it goes away.

Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Power wire does not go to the oil light directly. Instead it goes to the common connection to three idiot lights. Blow up the wiring diagram bigger on your screen so you can see that area easier.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Thanks. I figured it was something easy and all operator error. Wiring isn't my strong point.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

No problem!

Just got to understand the way wiring diagrams work.

Notice how most of the wires in the wiring diagram cross each other at a 90 degree? That means they do not connect.

Note in the 1959 bus wiring diagram how all three wires connect to the side of the K4 oil pressure bulb in the diagram are at more of a 45 degree angle? That means they all connect there, and while not connected physically just at the bulb side they do connect to the bulb side via the brass connector that goes from bulb to bulb. In other words there is some short hand in the diagrams, but still they are pretty accurate. 1961 diagram is a bit better drawn in that area.

Now follow the blue wire coming off the K4 oil pressure bulb tip, and on back to the oil light pressure switch. Note the funny stick figure like drawing of an X-mas tree? That tree means that circuit is grounded there.

While you are there in the rear of the VW wiring diagram look at all the other electrical items and see which are grounds for the circuits they are connected to. Look at how many wires are connected together at the starter solenoid and which one is not connected to the others. Also check out the RH taillight and how many wires come together there and which other wire is not connected to the others. How the license plate light gets it electrical flow. Etc....

Now start tracing diagrams from battery all the way to the body/engine/transaxle grounding point that connects back to the battery ground post.
Hope this info helps...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the 90° thing.

Hooking up that wire fixed my issue with the oil and gen lights and stopped the buzzing of the flasher relay.

I was having issues I've been fighting for a long time that I thought was my turn signal switch. The front passenger and rear drivers lights would be on constantly when the flasher switch wasn't engaged. The blinkers worked great otherwise. Unrelated I decided to change the brake light switch to the NOS screw terminal one I bought awhile ago. It fixed the problem, the new switch I had was faulty. I ended up figuring out I had the right front and rear signal wires crossed hence the front light being on. I have a grounding issue on that side because the lights flash fast and dim but that's easy to sort out.

The last thing I need to get working is my dome light. I haven't looked into it much yet but if I have questions I will fire away. I don't have a switch in the speedo pod from it and as memory serves me, me DC wouldn't have had one.

The wire harness around the fuse box is totally unmolested. The bus was parked in 1965 and sat until I bought it a few years ago. The problem was the armadillos and rats ate everything else and it's been a lot of work sorting out what went where. I'm so glad I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Pretty sure the DCs do not have the switch, but not certain.

Check for voltage getting to the interior light

Might just need to turn off and on the switch on the light to clean off corrosion in the contacts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

I will hopefully be able to tackle that this weekend. I have a DD driver that I'm going to be doing a lot of work on while my family is out of town this next week.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: No 1960 wiring diagram? Reply with quote

Yes, Double Cab overhead turns on via the overhead switch - no switch on pod.
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