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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:32 am Post subject: Vent Wing Leak |
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First big rain after putting my '67 back together and my first priority was looking for leaks.
Suffice to say, I wasn't let down and there's a lot of water coming in at the vent wing.
Looks like the vertical seal extends too far down and as a result, the big bottom one-piece seal can't seat in the frame right, causing the vent wing to not fully be able to close. Am I diagnosing this right?
Full picture of the door here if there's anything else I've screwed up.
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Krustybus Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: SE Michigan
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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Looks to me like the big seal is not in place correctly. There is a channel inside the frame that the seal fits into. Then the outside edges of the seal go over the frame. A real pain to get in right, but you can tell when it’s in correctly. _________________ Tim |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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The upper, riveted hinge is supposed to protrude through a small slit in the adjacent part of the seal. It's forcing the herniation your getting above it. If I'm not mistaken did you try to do your seals while leaving the vent window in place?
The rear seal is fine- and I agree with the above poster- you just need to fully seat the seal in the inner groove. While you have it out- cut the excess mold flashing from the inside (at least). It will make it fit much easier.
Lastly- a quick search of the FAQs leads to this: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=266079 _________________
EverettB wrote: |
I wonder what the nut looks like.
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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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hitest wrote: |
The upper, riveted hinge is supposed to protrude through a small slit in the adjacent part of the seal. It's forcing the herniation your getting above it. If I'm not mistaken did you try to do your seals while leaving the vent window in place?
The rear seal is fine- and I agree with the above poster- you just need to fully seat the seal in the inner groove. While you have it out- cut the excess mold flashing from the inside (at least). It will make it fit much easier.
Lastly- a quick search of the FAQs leads to this: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=266079 |
Hi Hitest!
I actually had everything disassembled when I did it. I actually had the bottom seal seated a little better in the inner groove, but what appears to be happening is that because the vertical seal is protruding down too far, the nub on the bottom horizontal seal is preventing the wing from closing all of the way. This is leaving a gap where the bare glass should hit rubber, but more importantly, the front (FIF) of the wing isn't seating all the way into the little groove in the front.
I'm not sure if that makes any sense, so I'll try to take more pictures tomorrow morning when it's light out again.
(Thanks for both of your responses! Also: I'll check out the link...thanks!) |
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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I rubbed my eyes and now I see a little better! Your upper wing mount does indeed pass through the rubber. Great deal. That stubborn seal, when grabbing the entire length of that inner grip channel, should allow the rear vertical seal to pass through.
Also on that closer eyes-rubbed view- I truly believe the mold flashing is a major contributor to the heartache with that lower corner intersection. I swear I see a small vertical flap that needs removal. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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hitest wrote: |
I rubbed my eyes and now I see a little better! Your upper wing mount does indeed pass through the rubber. Great deal. That stubborn seal, when grabbing the entire length of that inner grip channel, should allow the rear vertical seal to pass through. |
Ah ha! I will play with it to see if I can get the horizontal seal pushed into place so that vertical seal can pass through!
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Also on that closer eyes-rubbed view- I truly believe the mold flashing is a major contributor to the heartache with that lower corner intersection. I swear I see a small vertical flap that needs removal. |
So when you say "mold flashing," could you be a little more specific? I just want to make sure I know exactly what you're talking about.
Thanks!
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hitest Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 10296 Location: Prime Meridian, ID
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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If you ever built plastic models- you know the extra rims and ridges of plastic you had to carefully trim off the wheels so they would fit in the tires? Some call them molding sprues. When the rubber is poured into a mold- the more 3d the product- the more gaps between each section of an imprecise mold. Those seals are notorious for having extra mold flashing that needs to be cut off. Moreso than any other bus seal I have seen. Mold flash is exactly what you have a vertical strip of where the vent pivots through the seal. On the underside it is ten times worse- and complicates installation in the window frame's metal channel.
Or, flashing is what squirts off the side of the breakfast waffle maker in the hotel lobby! _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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easy e Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 3931 Location: 1 hr north of Santa Barbara
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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Vertical seal can be left long.
Trim adjacent seal (see orange lines for approximation) to remove flashing and maybe relieve it some for the shape of the vertical seal. Make the puzzle pieces fit as best you can.
Big seal needs to be fully seated in it's center channel groove and the outer lip needs to be pulled over the outer part of the metal frame.
_________________ aka: Evan
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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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Thanks Hitest and Easy E! |
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avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 235 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Vent Wing Leak |
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So I think I'm getting closer, but my window still isn't seating the whole way (and therefore isn't completely sealing).
It looks like I need to keep removing a little more of that horizontal extra rubber (beyond what was just flashing) so that everything seats better, based on Easy E's pictures. I'll post an update when I've done that.
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