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javashot
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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: Street Rail - fitted |
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Bought a Sandrail about 2 months ago with the intent of building a badass street rail out of it. It'll need suspension, motor work, brake upgrades, new welds and cuts, wheels, lights, paint....and probably 1 million other things.
Here is the starting point...
Way too high and way too ugly... |
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javashot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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here is another...kinda looks like a tractor. I am going to have to cut the top off soon  |
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javashot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: Street Rail - fitted |
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Step 1..
Remove aluminum beam and add adjustable beam. Picked up a rebuilt king pin (brazil) ...this thing is way heavier. Cut the shock tower mounts off of the frame.
The beam gives me about 2" more of shock height that the shock mounts would with the aluminum beam.
Picked up a disc kit also.... nothing fancy.
The height is pretty good but the tie rod (pass side) is close to frame. I think I will have to add drop spindles after all. Then I can slam the rail about 1 more inch!
Did I mention I picked up some badass Centerline wheels...they are awesome, but they will need thicker tires. I think I may go with bigger in the rear and keep the front as is. |
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javashot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:25 am Post subject: Street Rail - fitted |
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Front stance
The rear has some gas shocks. With the smaller tires and the lowering that will take place I will have to lift the motor/trans about 3 inches and weld a new mount.
Quick cpu sketch, but the frame will look like a simpler version of this when done. maybe....
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Dale M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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I don't want to rain on your parade, but before you invest a ton of money...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=700798
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javashot
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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Thanks Dale, but the law wont rain on my parade. I ride with my middle finger up just so they know not to attempt to pull me over.
Works every time! |
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di11ard
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| Fuckin awesome. I look forward to the updates. |
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Fenix
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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Thanks Dale, but the law wont rain on my parade. I ride with my middle finger up just so they know not to attempt to pull me over.
Works every time! |
What Dale was nicely trying to say is...As it stands the titling, licensing, and on-road insurance issuing is/was on hold pending further hearings. An initial round of title and license revocation already happened about 1 year ago. Hence why many rails and "manx" buggies went up for sale in texas and just across the boarder in Arkansas. Shot last forth of July I was in Fort Smith AR. One of the used car lots had 20+ buggies and rails all with Texas plates on them for sale. Most for under 4K. |
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di11ard
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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I am not an expert on lowered beams... But I have learned a lot over the last couple years.
The goal to reduce bump steer is for the tie rods to be parallel to the ground. Obviously you are not in this category. One thing you can do is flip the tie rods to the underside of the spindle arm. Although a lowering spindle would be ideal, flipping the tie rod would be a good bandaid until new parts can be sourced.
What size wheels/tires are you running in the second pic? That setup looks killer. |
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Bashr52
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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I hope you have huge arms. Steering that thing with those wide tires up front is either going to take a giant wheel, or a lot of muscle!  |
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Vanapplebomb
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. That’s also a lot of extra stress on the front suspension. Wide tires may look cool, but they don’t really gain you anything on a vehicle like this. Really, too wide on something this light up front and it really just makes it worse. There is a reason rails run skinny tires up front. But if what you are going for is looks, go for it man.
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Fenix
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| Bashr52 wrote: |
I hope you have huge arms. Steering that thing with those wide tires up front is either going to take a giant wheel, or a lot of muscle! |
Electric Power Steering conversion. |
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earthquake
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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1st thing I would do is put that battery in a box, nothing like battery acid in you face in a crash or big bump!
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javashot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| Fenix wrote: |
| javashot wrote: |
Thanks Dale, but the law wont rain on my parade. I ride with my middle finger up just so they know not to attempt to pull me over.
Works every time! |
What Dale was nicely trying to say is...As it stands the titling, licensing, and on-road insurance issuing is/was on hold pending further hearings. An initial round of title and license revocation already happened about 1 year ago. Hence why many rails and "manx" buggies went up for sale in texas and just across the boarder in Arkansas. Shot last forth of July I was in Fort Smith AR. One of the used car lots had 20+ buggies and rails all with Texas plates on them for sale. Most for under 4K. |
Thanks for the info...I am aware of the law and I feel optimistic about the progress and outcome. |
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javashot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| earthquake wrote: |
1st thing I would do is put that battery in a box, nothing like battery acid in you face in a crash or big bump!
Casey |
for sure! |
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javashot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| Bashr52 wrote: |
I hope you have huge arms. Steering that thing with those wide tires up front is either going to take a giant wheel, or a lot of muscle! |
Although it is harder to steer, it is not difficult. I do have huge sexy arms BTW... ahaha |
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javashot
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| di11ard wrote: |
I am not an expert on lowered beams... But I have learned a lot over the last couple years.
The goal to reduce bump steer is for the tie rods to be parallel to the ground. Obviously you are not in this category. One thing you can do is flip the tie rods to the underside of the spindle arm. Although a lowering spindle would be ideal, flipping the tie rod would be a good bandaid until new parts can be sourced.
What size wheels/tires are you running in the second pic? That setup looks killer. |
These are 245/45/15...I am considering 295/50/15 in the rear. Thanks BTW. I will go ahead with the drop spindles. |
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javashot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:22 pm Post subject: Street Rail - fitted |
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got a new MC to pump these discs out...
made some tubing
and I finally got the grinder out...looks over safety any day!
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javashot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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| Dropped spindles finally arrived...I will put them on sometime in the next few days. |
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cbeck
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Street Rail - fitted |
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Wow, I can put a 5 gallon fuel can under my beam. Your roads must be better than mine.
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