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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Any body have a scrapped Squareback that they could cut a piece from? I am looking for the tube that supplies cool air to the carbs/ FI intake. Let me know, thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Contact Joel (bookooz)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

He may have what need. check out the adds
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

This part?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

ataraxia wrote:
This part?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2151209

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Yeah, that's the part I am looking for. Sent him a message, but he hasn't responded yet. Tried to find bookooz in the member list, but didn't get a hit.

I forget who, but one of our T3 members made a beautiful fresh air intake for his dual carbs. However, he pulled all of his air from the one stock inlet. Lately, we have had a long string of days running between 104 - 107 degrees, and it definitely has an impact on the engines performance. So my game plan (at least in my head), is to add another fresh air inlet, so each carb will pull from its own source. I could make one, but it would sure be a time saver to have one already made. Thanks for the links.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

I got one of these a while back with the same idea for my 40IDFs but I think I'm going to work out something that's not quite as visible - pulling the air from the side of the engine bay instead of across the top of the hot engine. A shorter run should mean cooler air. I think it'll be easier to get a more balanced air source between the carb throats. I plan to use the stock rubber coupler to allow for movement between the engine and body.

It may all sound great in my head and be a terrible design in real life... I'll find out in a couple of months.

Kris - the seller - may be out of town for a few days but he's pretty good about responding.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

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This part?
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Yeah, that's the part I am looking for. Sent him a message, but he hasn't responded yet. Tried to find bookooz in the member list, but didn't get a hit.

I forget who, but one of our T3 members made a beautiful fresh air intake for his dual carbs. However, he pulled all of his air from the one stock inlet. Lately, we have had a long string of days running between 104 - 107 degrees, and it definitely has an impact on the engines performance. So my game plan (at least in my head), is to add another fresh air inlet, so each carb will pull from its own source. I could make one, but it would sure be a time saver to have one already made. Thanks for the links.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

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It may all sound great in my head and be a terrible design in real life...


Believe me, I've had my share of good ideas gone bad. In fact, I started showing my son my mistakes, or ideas gone bad. He had just started making his own creations in my shop / garage, and he would get frustrated when they didn't turn out right. He was under the assumption that everything that I did always turned out right. So to help him work through this frustration, I started showing him my good ideas, gone bad.

However, as long as you get the proper amount of fresh air to the intake, good things happen. Cooler running engine, easier starting when hot, and more power. When ever you can lower the temperature of the intake charge, it will expand more when combusted, giving more power, as well as the other items I mentioned.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Multi69s wrote:
ataraxia wrote:

It may all sound great in my head and be a terrible design in real life...


Believe me, I've had my share of good ideas gone bad. In fact, I started showing my son my mistakes, or ideas gone bad. He had just started making his own creations in my shop / garage, and he would get frustrated when they didn't turn out right. He was under the assumption that everything that I did always turned out right. So to help him work through this frustration, I started showing him my good ideas, gone bad.

However, as long as you get the proper amount of fresh air to the intake, good things happen. Cooler running engine, easier starting when hot, and more power. When ever you can lower the temperature of the intake charge, it will expand more when combusted, giving more power, as well as the other items I mentioned.


I hear you - I have a 4 year old and I'm teaching him about how 'things don't always work out the way you want them to' - I show him what I thought was going to happen and then what really happened and then explain why it did. A lot of the time I just tell him "Sometimes you have to try your ideas to see if they will work - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't - then you come up with a better idea."

My original inspirations (none of which will work on a Type 3 without modification):
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The prices for these are extremely high (800€ +) - it's mostly fiberglass.

I'd prefer to have the center section of the engine open - although if I can work out a solution that doesn't interfere with the carb linkage, I'd probably consider it. I like the idea of having a larger flat filter. If I wind up going with something similar to these - I'd add the second intake at the back left to match the right side. It's a cleaner install but makes the engine bay a lot more crowded and the air filter sits over the middle of the engine.

The other plan is much simpler - come directly from the sides to the carbs - getting air from the airbox on the side of the engine bay - nothing over the center section of the engine. Shorter air run, less to fabricate but less filter surface. Use a more elegant version of the filter covers for turbo engines/sand rails - fabricate a short tube and rubber coupler. Requires welding on both sides of the engine bay and I'm not psyched about modifying my car in this way but it won't be a 'hack' job.

I'm going to mock up some foam or balsa wood models to see which I like more and then head down that road...unless I see a better idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

This is the idea that is banging around my head right now.

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However, I'd sure like to get a hold of just the carb covers from this set.

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If they are the right size, it would save a ton of work. Do you know if they are sold separately?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Yep - that's pretty much what I'd originally thought to do and may very well be the route I go for simplicity's sake. The other route with the airbox on the top would need to have a smaller filter on the right side of the engine to clear linkage and the oil cooler AND fit under the lid. Going outboard would require the most modification to the body and I'm not keen on that - may also be really hard to get things installed/apart when the motor needs to be dropped.

CSP does sell individual parts although they don't advertise it - only shown in their giant catalog. The carb covers are probably $400 - their prices are very high for individual parts. I don't have the catalog anymore though.

Have you seen CB's options?
http://www.cbperformance.com/Fuel-Injection-and-Tu...amp;page=1

The additional air intake idea is going to need some work as well - there's less than 2" of space to work with between the top of the carb and the underside of the engine bay - this is why I thought about using an oblong hole vs. a round one and prefer to get the air to be brought in to the 'hat' in between the two throats.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Yeah I found the CB option last night while searching. I might give them a call on Monday to see if they're in stock, then drive over. They are only 40 min from me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

sure would be cool to run 912 air cleaners. Probably no room even with your dcnf's

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

I have a 72 fastback that is cut up, I am sure I could cut that section out if you still need one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

Sqrbckguy38 wrote:
I have a 72 fastback that is cut up, I am sure I could cut that section out if you still need one.


Thanks for the offer, but supposedly I have one on the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

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sure would be cool to run 912 air cleaners. Probably no room even with your dcnf's

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That would be cool, but even with the DCNFs, I wouldn't have enough room. I'm keep my fingers crossed on the CB units. Even if they aren't perfect, I could modify them or even use then as a mold.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

W1K1's setup up was the one I eluded to on a beautiful job, I just couldn't remember who did it. However, I am extremely anal, and want each carb to have its own separate fresh air intake. CB has these:

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They are for a blow through turbos on: low profile applications (Porsche 356). So I'll call them this morning, and see if they are in stock. Then drive my square there with an extra air filter element. If the element will fit, I'll make my own base, and trim / modify as needed. It won't be as pretty as W1K1's, but no one ever sees my engine - just my tail lights on the mountain passes Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

I'll be following your progress because I'm still in the 'ideas' phase. I think the low profile version is another good idea but I suspect they're too tall.

I was thinking about using their blanks and then using 2.5" oval exhaust tubing (idea I got from Mark's build) for the pipe.

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Trim them down to the height that works best and then open up the side for the oval pipe.

I'll do the foam mock up first - but that's after all of the other stuff currently being done.

I like the idea of these made for IDAs:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for a part from a junked out rusted up Squareback Reply with quote

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Computer search functions tend to be very particular about exact characters. Try Boo-Koo-Z.

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