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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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In all seriousness bungee v. rope is a fun discussion but damned inconvenient if you suddenly need to shift in traffic.
I'd rather get to the bottom of it and fix it so they don't disappear halfway through the return (Mis)adventure only to resurface on a Honda Fit forum someplace bragging about how great it is to just turn a key and go.
On the other hand maybe I need to sell them one of my early 1970s MB SeeD/A/Ns that D/A/N has been making googly eyes at. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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D/A/N Samba Member
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Rancho said even with a core it’d take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.
I vote that we try Tram’s mystery transmission and see what’s what from there.
Oh, we haven’t had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out. |
Yay. I'm like a 3 year old on Christmas Eve... _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
D/A/N wrote: |
Rancho said even with a core it’d take 5 weeks. Strictly Foreign in Grants Pass said 6-8 weeks.
I vote that we try Tram’s mystery transmission and see what’s what from there.
Oh, we haven’t had to use a bungee just yet. It goes back into gear after it pops out. |
Yay. I'm like a 3 year old on Christmas Eve... |
Awesome!!!! Now fill that bitch with gear oil and get your steel-toed sandals on. We'll see you this evening!!! |
Bring your own lube. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Tram wrote: |
which could be flexing shift guide pin, |
While things were a bit soft and bendy in that area, a flexing shift guide pin WILL NOT be a problem on this Bus anymore. You'll see. Pictures were taken but not by me, so they may or may not see the light of day...
The pin is visibly worn a bit -- and I think the shift rod itself may also be a bit worn, but it may just be shitty aftermarket parts. After D/A/N and Neena got here this morning and we looked at things, it seemed that the shifter bushing that rides on the pin was worn and sloppy. So we loaded up in Lemony Benz and took a trip to Discount Import Parts for a Bus shifter bushing kit, installing the new one after we got back .. and it's no better. I was half-tempted to make a shim from a Diet Coke can to try and tighten it up, but remembered that that's not my schtick.
They left to hit the highway about a half hour ago, headed your way. They probably woulda shoulda coulda headed off to Springfield earlier but you know how shit keeps happening. Ask Dan about the idle screw. |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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tristessa wrote: |
Tram wrote: |
which could be flexing shift guide pin, |
While things were a bit soft and bendy in that area, a flexing shift guide pin WILL NOT be a problem on this Bus anymore. You'll see. Pictures were taken but not by me, so they may or may not see the light of day...
The pin is visibly worn a bit -- and I think the shift rod itself may also be a bit worn, but it may just be shitty aftermarket parts. After D/A/N and Neena got here this morning and we looked at things, it seemed that the shifter bushing that rides on the pin was worn and sloppy. So we loaded up in Lemony Benz and took a trip to Discount Import Parts for a Bus shifter bushing kit, installing the new one after we got back .. and it's no better. I was half-tempted to make a shim from a Diet Coke can to try and tighten it up, but remembered that that's not my schtick.
They left to hit the highway about a half hour ago, headed your way. They probably woulda shoulda coulda headed off to Springfield earlier but you know how shit keeps happening. Ask Dan about the idle screw. |
On THIS bus? You don't say.
Props to you for taking the time to help them out on this. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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neena Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 581 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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As tristessa reported, that pin is not going anywhere unless someone decides to cut it out! He first strengthened the points where the pin support plate mounts to the frame. That eliminated a good amount of flex in the pin plate, but it still had some, so he fashioned a beautiful support plate - it's gotta be what the VW engineers would have done if they believed the cars would still be driven 50 years later:
It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. He donated most of his day to our cause and was as thoughtful and careful in his approach to the job as I imagine he'd be with his own bus. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area!
Lastly, on our drive towards Springtucky, the bus did pop out of 4th gear once. We were on pins and needles waiting for it to happen...not that it was a relief once it did...However, I'm thinking maybe our luck is about to change since we had an auspicious number turn up on the odometer:
_________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1600 SP with 30 PICT 3 carburetor, 205M distributor, stock muffler
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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neena wrote: |
As tristessa reported, that pin is not going anywhere unless someone decides to cut it out! He first strengthened the points where the pin support plate mounts to the frame. That eliminated a good amount of flex in the pin plate, but it still had some, so he fashioned a beautiful support plate - it's gotta be what the VW engineers would have done if they believed the cars would still be driven 50 years later:
It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. He donated most of his day to our cause and was as thoughtful and careful in his approach to the job as I imagine he'd be with his own bus. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area!
Lastly, on our drive towards Springtucky, the bus did pop out of 4th gear once. We were on pins and needles waiting for it to happen...not that it was a relief once it did...However, I'm thinking maybe our luck is about to change since we had an auspicious number turn up on the odometer:
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Well... it's either a holy Bus now, or it will be after a couple more NYC winters...
Damn. Mercedes over engineering on a VW. I like it! _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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neena wrote: |
It was also heartening to be helped out by a member of the PNW bus crew and all around hospitable guy. Shoutout to Xevin for inviting us to the Lucky Labrador meetup (the bus will wear the sticker with pride). It can be lonely to be a bus owner in NYC! So if anyone is "planning" to break down on a road trip, make sure you do it in this area! |
Tristessa has a heart of gold. One of my heroes. Pacific Northwest has a bunch of generous ACVW folks. Love it here
_________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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tristessa Samba Member
Joined: April 07, 2004 Posts: 3992 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Tram wrote: |
Mercedes over engineering on a VW. I like it! |
It was that or cable shift, but they didn't have time for the engineering involved. |
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Xevin Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Sure is quite in here. Must be all business at Trams today. _________________ Keep on Busin'
67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin... |
skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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Abscate Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 22568 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Get that tape off your doghouse before it gets loose and ends up inthe fan. You won’t like that outcome and won’t gets red light warning until too late
Small weatherseal will lose up the metal gaps, and don’t be afraid to massage the sheet metal to better fit. _________________ .ssS! |
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Abscate wrote: |
Get that tape off your doghouse before it gets loose and ends up inthe fan. You won’t like that outcome and won’t gets red light warning until too late
Small weatherseal will lose up the metal gaps, and don’t be afraid to massage the sheet metal to better fit. |
That "tape" is fine. It's actually Fatmat and it's not going anyplace. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Tram Samba Socialist
Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 22697 Location: Still Feelin' the Bern- Once you've felt it you can't un- feel it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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Xevin wrote: |
Sure is quite in here. Must be all business at Trams today. |
Quite what? Quiet? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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D/A/N Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2010 Posts: 2224 Location: 11222
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neena Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 581 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:38 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
On the down side (and the reason I say we might have a winner) is that Jessica says the new trans popped out of first gear twice. I didn't drive it so I'll leave it for her to describe. |
Yeah, so...once on my solo test drive, I put the bus in gear in anticipation of the green light and it popped into neutral. The light changed, I put it back in gear, and all was well. Same thing happened with D/A/N as a passenger...
How could it be that it didn't shift all the way into 1st twice? Popping out of 1st isn't really a "thing", is it? Last year, we put maybe 1,000 miles on this transmission and that was never an issue. First gear doesn't just go funky while a transmission is sitting on a garage floor, now does it? Given a choice, I'd rather it pop out of 1st than 4th, but does anyone have any idea what could cause this? More road testing will happen tomorrow when we've slept some. _________________ '69 Fuel Injected Squareback. "B" D-jet. 1600 with balanced rotating assembly and lightened flywheel. Full flow and external filter.
'70 Riviera. 1600 SP with 30 PICT 3 carburetor, 205M distributor, stock muffler
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:30 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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popping out of gear can be caused by a few things, mainly synchro/gear wear or damage and main shaft "racking"
if the input shaft has ANY detectable IN/OUT movement then the main shaft racks, pulling the gear stack with it. the input shaft WILL have some up/down movement due to it's 2 piece design. there should be ZERO detectable movement in and out
the in/ out is caused by the bearing getting pounded into the nose cone, and/or the main pinion bearing sinking into the case....and possibly be loose (and depending, a loose main bearing will not always make any noise either)
I always check this before I buy/install a used trans. if there is any in/out the trans can pop out of gear. think of it this way....
the shift forks stay put, but the gear set is moving in and out, effectively "shifting" the gears for you. for a visual, put a straw into a lid. the lid is your shift fork. the straw is your main shaft. move the straw in and out. as the lid stays put, you will see what I mean. _________________
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: Re: '70 Riviera: The Continuing (Mis)Adventures |
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D/A/N wrote: |
The other issue is that our idle is now at 1300 rpm on account of the vac advance sucking. Throttle plate isn't hanging open. Pull the vac line and it drops down to 850. Gotta figure that out too. There's always something....... |
That's usually a sign of the throttle plate being slightly open, tight cable?, positioner misadjusted or hanging up?, too many turns on the stop screw?, Brazilian or Chinese carb? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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