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SiRJoZ Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2018 Posts: 40 Location: CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: Distributor wiring |
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Ok, this is probably a stupid question, but I haven't found the answer here, and I can't seem to find it online either.
I have a 1970...1600...typical setup.
My distributor has two wires.
One goes to the neg terminal on the coil.
Where does the other one go? Ground? |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26320 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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Uh, sounds like you do not have points, but rather some form of electronic points replacement ("electronic ignition") but without specific data it is kind of impossible to instruct. (got a photo or at least a description of wire colours?) _________________ Andy T.
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SiRJoZ Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2018 Posts: 40 Location: CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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One black one red. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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SiRJoZ Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2018 Posts: 40 Location: CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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Thanks. |
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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Just for your info...
The red module wire provides 12v+ power to the electronic points module. Connect this to a source which is providing 12v+. If this voltage drops below about 11.0v the module will stop working.
The points module grounds (-) thru the point mounting plate in the distributor, NOT the black wire.
The black module wire is NOT specifically a ground wire. It actually provides a trigger signal to the ignition coil. It alternates between sending a ground to the coil (-) or being an open circuit. So black is NOT a ground for the module, it provides a ground to the coil.
Most modules expect at least a 3ohm ballast resistor in the ignition coil to reduce the current passing into the black wire and grounding thru the module. A 3ohm ballast resistor in a 12v circuit limits the current flow thru the black wire of the module to no more than 4A.
DO NOT miswire the electronic points module. Many people have accidentally cross wired the electronic points wires only to find that they have blown the module. This is quite easy because VW wiring uses black wires to indicate "ignition switched 12v+ power". US wiring spec (used on most modules) normally uses red for the hot (12v input) wire and black for ground.
If you accidentally connect the black module wire to the #15 terminal with the other black wires assuming it belongs there... you will bypass the 3ohm resistor in the coil. The max current thru the module will increase greatly. This current will find ground thru the module and instantly burn up the module internals. More expensive modules have a current protection circuit, but the cheaper ones don't. You don't even need to start the engine, the module can burn itself up just by turning the ignition switch ON. _________________ AshMan40
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'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
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beetlenut Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2009 Posts: 2983 Location: RI
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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ashman40 wrote: |
... More expensive modules have a current protection circuit, but the cheaper ones don't. |
Ashman, what are some of the names of the manufactures of the better/more expensive modules? _________________ scrapyards are for quitters
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15985 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Distributor wiring |
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beetlenut wrote: |
Ashman, what are some of the names of the manufactures of the better/more expensive modules? |
Look at the Pertronix Ignitor II or III modules.
Two examples:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-91847v/overview/year/1974/make/volkswagen/model/beetle
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pnx-71847v/overview/year/1974/make/volkswagen/model/beetle
Read the specs for both and you will see...
"Built-in reverse polarity and over current protection shuts down the system, preventing component damage"
Also, both support low resistance coils (0.6ohm) which translate into more powerful sparks.
You need to be careful and find the correct unit for your model. It looks like not all VW/Bosch distributors are supported by both modules. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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