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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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sb001 wrote: |
Just to be clear, he didn't throw those "huge" numbers out, I did, it's just my opinion if you don't agree that's fine. But there is SO MUCH that goes into the value of car, you mentioned having documentation on your cars did you have everything he has?? And on all the cars you mention above? Location is another big consideration, you're in Northern California where bugs are a dime a dozen, and mostly rust free, he's in the frozen tundra of the midwest where roads are salted 5-6 months out of the year, so to find one in that area in that condition is exceedingly rare (yes I know he said it came from California but that just means the shipping expense has already been realized.)
I also had no idea he was offered mid-twenties for it I just read that he had turned down a "reasonable offer." If that was the reasonable offer than I agree with him that he should have jumped on it, but as you said we don't know the details. But if that IS true, then I absolutely stand by my valuation of the car. |
You can stand by your opinion, but it’s just that, an opinion. I have actual figures of cars I’ve sold, and what others have sold for, going off opinions only gives people false hope. The only reason that car is as clean as it is, is because it IS a California car, where it’s currently located doesn’t make it more valuable. Clean cars aren’t a dime a dozen here either, 2 of the ones I mentioned were actually New York cars. I just don’t think it’s fair to anyone to throw out some random value of a car online because opinionated values mean nothing in the real world. NADA guide gives super high values too, I have yet to see any Vw sell for their so called values. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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jays58s wrote: |
You can stand by your opinion, but it’s just that, an opinion. I have actual figures of cars I’ve sold, and what others have sold for, going off opinions only gives people false hope. |
If he really got offered $20k + for it (your words not mine) I'd say my opinion is NOT giving him false hope!
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where it’s currently located doesn’t make it more valuable. |
I thought his reasonable offer came from someone locally, I suppose you are correct if someone on here sent him a PM with that offer. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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sb001 wrote: |
jays58s wrote: |
You can stand by your opinion, but it’s just that, an opinion. I have actual figures of cars I’ve sold, and what others have sold for, going off opinions only gives people false hope. |
If he really got offered $20k + for it (your words not mine) I'd say my opinion is NOT giving him false hope!
jays58s wrote: |
where it’s currently located doesn’t make it more valuable. |
I thought his reasonable offer came from someone locally, I suppose you are correct if someone on here sent him a PM with that offer. |
I’m sure someone made that offer, but I don’t believe anyone until they show up with cash in hand. I had a guy wanting to buy my pearl white 65 for more than what I ended up selling it for, but he disappeared and never returned any of my calls. That’s why I never believe anything people say, and we never know what a car actually sells for here unless you know that person. I have friends that have bought cars listed here for half of the listed price. Big window cars just haven’t quite hit the $20k range unless they’re ridiculously mint and super low mileage. |
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sb001 Samba Member
Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10406 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:33 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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jays58s wrote: |
Big window cars just haven’t quite hit the $20k range unless they’re ridiculously mint and super low mileage. |
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/839955679533677
Very nice but "Concours condition?" A few things tell me no _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69813 Location: Phoenix Metro
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jays58s Samba Member
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EVfun Samba Member
Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 5475 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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What specifically are you looking at? It looks, on my cell phone, like a very nice paint job. That alone can easily be 5 figures. I'm not paying that for a small window, but when you build a Bug you find out it ain't cheap real quick.
It seems.to me the market has several segments. The low mile, never wrecked, never rebuilt garage queens are top tier. Original to see patina start down a sliding scale (to me) based on how much they are as above or a field find.
Another whole scale is the restored cars. At best I think the true low mile original is better. It is really hard to do a perfect copy of VW in 195x or 196x. However, I'd be a lot more willing to use a good rebuilt Bug, with everything gone through for better and worse, as a daily driver. _________________
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jays58s Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2133 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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EVfun wrote: |
What specifically are you looking at? It looks, on my cell phone, like a very nice paint job. That alone can easily be 5 figures. I'm not paying that for a small window, but when you build a Bug you find out it ain't cheap real quick.
It seems.to me the market has several segments. The low mile, never wrecked, never rebuilt garage queens are top tier. Original to see patina start down a sliding scale (to me) based on how much they are as above or a field find.
Another whole scale is the restored cars. At best I think the true low mile original is better. It is really hard to do a perfect copy of VW in 195x or 196x. However, I'd be a lot more willing to use a good rebuilt Bug, with everything gone through for better and worse, as a daily driver. |
I know exactly what it costs to paint and restore a bug, it’s what I do. My point is, for what he paid to have that done, he could’ve built it just as it was when it was new, and would have a much better chance at getting a decent chunk of what he invested back. My other point was, the guy that restored it is a hack. He claims to know these cars inside and out and what it takes to make one all original again, but NONE of his builds are period correct. Then there’s the zwitter I previously mentioned that he built.... |
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Bryan67 Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2003 Posts: 2940 Location: Fresno, Ca.
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5304 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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"Car is perfect for around town daily driver and prep'ed for full restoration. ", except, you know for that whole not starting thing....
"I know what I have". Apparently not as its priced above what a real RHD ragtop in primer would run. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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jays58s Samba Member
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69813 Location: Phoenix Metro
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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EverettB wrote: |
This is a hack move but I'd probably spray paint that entire car one color before selling it.
The paint is already garbage but at least it would look better.
Weird that the engine has a Bus governor on it. |
I don’t know that it would even help lol. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69813 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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jays58s wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
This is a hack move but I'd probably spray paint that entire car one color before selling it.
The paint is already garbage but at least it would look better.
Weird that the engine has a Bus governor on it. |
I don’t know that it would even help lol. |
I should have not said not at that price but definitely would fetch a little more than the way it is now.
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jays58s Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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EverettB wrote: |
jays58s wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
This is a hack move but I'd probably spray paint that entire car one color before selling it.
The paint is already garbage but at least it would look better.
Weird that the engine has a Bus governor on it. |
I don’t know that it would even help lol. |
I should have not said not at that price but definitely would fetch a little more than the way it is now.
"Fresh paint!" LOL |
Lol, “I’ve got a hunerd n fiddy bucks just in Rustoleum on this baby.” |
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67ctbug Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2016 Posts: 3621 Location: CT
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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Other than the money, I like it... semaphores are cool. _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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67ctbug Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2201841
I know it's not a beetle part, but is there any difference between this and any other fan shroud? _________________ '67 Beetle L41
'74 Westfalia
'69 Plymouth "Adam-12"
'63 Ragtop
'73 914
'72 Dodge Wrecker
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...or the PO envied the terrorists' bus in "Back to the Future". |
mukluk wrote: |
He's fine, just waiting for the dragon in winklepickers to move out of his lane. |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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It’s a doghouse without fresh air. Make it kinda rare. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
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Mark Evans Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Beetles and parts for sale topic |
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Thing shrouds bring good money. _________________ '63 Ragtop |
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