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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Quick question for everyone.
On the intake manifold above there is a little hose bibb which I think the balancing tube goes onto. Is it suppose to be facing this way or is it backwards?
Also, it looks like I am missing an outer seat rail. Does anyone manufacture those still or am I looking at a used part? |
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BSQUARE Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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old_man wrote: |
On the intake manifold above there is a little hose bibb which I think the balancing tube goes onto. Is it suppose to be facing this way or is it backwards? |
Your manifolds are on the wrong sides, the balance tube goes toward the front of the car.
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Also, it looks like I am missing an outer seat rail. Does anyone manufacture those still or am I looking at a used part? |
Good used is all you can get, as far as I know. _________________ 1988 Ford Festiva L
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ataraxia Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Option #1 is probably a good bet.
#2 can work too, but I'd try to get it to screw together first.
#3 will not leave you without heat, as the small HE's are "pre-heaters" due to their size. Don't get me wrong, they do help provide some heat, just not like you're thinking. With the small HE's in place, you have to watch where you put rubber stuff like sneakers, as they can melt when the heat is on.
I think you might have a harder time finding the copper washer/sealing ring for the connection of the muffler to small HE's. Russ used to use old thermocouples from hot water heaters to make that ring, using an angled cut on both ends so they would overlap and squeeze together and seal when tightened. Being soft copper, it made them easier to shape and form, plus thick enough to seal.
Just a heads up, and I hope this helps. |
Option 2 meant removing all heat exhangers....everything. Like I said, I don't like that option.
Is this not the copper washer? |
These are the same crush washer and they're 1/2 the price:
https://www.belmetric.com/hollow-crush-gaskets-c-1...-9208.html |
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Is this part of the car and, if so, where exactly does it go? |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Small victory today. I'm working slow because I am still waiting on some ownership stuff and it's still summer out but anyways....
Before
The tool
After.
All in all the die was actually pretty cheap, especially when you consider the cost of buying and shipping a muffler to me. I'm happy. |
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KTPhil Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Great job. Don't forget to clean up (flatten and smooth) the sealing end of the pipe so it cleanly seals against the crush washer.
Me? I'd go a little nuts and Ospho the outer skin, then put a nice hi-temp grey paint on it to keep it looking good. Maybe check the heat shield for cracks and weld/braze them up so they don't rattle. Use anti-seize on the threads, and re-tighten them after about 100 miles. Make this sucker last a lo-o-o-o-ong time!
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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old_man wrote: |
Small victory today. I'm working slow because I am still waiting on some ownership stuff and it's still summer out but anyways....
Before
The tool
After.
All in all the die was actually pretty cheap, especially when you consider the cost of buying and shipping a muffler to me. I'm happy. |
Nice job. That should work great. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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So after some work a very helpful Provincial worker I finally got the car titled in my name. I can now move forward, I didn't really want to spend money on a car that wasn't in my name.
This brings me to a dilemma. Currently the car has all it's windows out, it's headliner removed. it's interior essentially stripped, and all the trim, head lights, and other bright work removed. The wife and I aren't the fondest of it's current colour. I also noticed someone is selling 4 quarts of peru green paint. Should I? Would it be a lot of work? Is 4 quarts enough? Would it look weird haven't the outside one colour but a lot of the inside corners and jams a different colour? Just looking for advice from anyone who has done a colour change. |
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Mike Fisher Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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It will look goofy painted 2 different colors, but now is the perfect time to paint it inside & out since it's disassembled. Buy your paint & materials Locally, so you don't have to worry about running out & waiting on shipping in more. Roll it outside on your clean driveway to paint it a base coat & clear coat all in the same day preferably. _________________ https://imgur.com/user/FisherSquareback/posts
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66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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old_man wrote: |
So after some work a very helpful Provincial worker I finally got the car titled in my name. I can now move forward, I didn't really want to spend money on a car that wasn't in my name.
This brings me to a dilemma. Currently the car has all it's windows out, it's headliner removed. it's interior essentially stripped, and all the trim, head lights, and other bright work removed. The wife and I aren't the fondest of it's current colour. I also noticed someone is selling 4 quarts of peru green paint. Should I? Would it be a lot of work? Is 4 quarts enough? Would it look weird haven't the outside one colour but a lot of the inside corners and jams a different colour? Just looking for advice from anyone who has done a colour change. |
Well, windows out is the best time to paint it.
So you'd have 4 quarts (1 US gallon) of paint. What kind of paint is it? Just asking, as some paints mix differently than others. Some examples of this are Dupont/Nason/Axalta (same co.), which are mixed 4 parts paint to 1 part reducer. While PPG uses 1 part paint to 1 1/2 (metallic) to 2 parts (solid color) reducer. It also depends on which kind of paint too, as some urethane's require a different mix with different chemicals. Also, some paints are BC/CC (Base Coat/Clear Coat), while others already have clears mixed in. Enamel mixes from Dupont use 4:1:1/2 (paint to reducer to hardener). Best bet would be to google the paint, and get a mixing ratio for it. Then talk to your local paint supplier, and see if they can hook you up.
Something to think about (another example), if you were using PPG Deltron paint, that uses 1160 or 1170 (depending on temp) reducer, you'd have 1 1/2 gallons of sprayable paint to use. Depending on how well it hides the old color, that could be enough to change the color of the car. But, you'd still have to clear coat it (again needing almost as much clear).
However, with the windows out, and no seals on, that's the best time to change the color to something you like. Ideally, you'd like to know what kind of paint the PO used, when he (or his painter) re-painted the car. This is mainly so you don't get lifting or other chemical reactions, like painting lacquer over enamel, or some urethanes. What I'm getting at is you might need to seal the existing paint (with epoxy primer, or a primer sealer), before you can work off it.
Sorry for the long drawn out reply, but I thought you might want to make an informed decision. It's not something as simple as scuffing it up and throwing some lacquer based BC/CC paint on it and calling it good. It's really not that simple. Ask Tram, he'll tell you too. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:16 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
old_man wrote: |
So after some work a very helpful Provincial worker I finally got the car titled in my name. I can now move forward, I didn't really want to spend money on a car that wasn't in my name.
This brings me to a dilemma. Currently the car has all it's windows out, it's headliner removed. it's interior essentially stripped, and all the trim, head lights, and other bright work removed. The wife and I aren't the fondest of it's current colour. I also noticed someone is selling 4 quarts of peru green paint. Should I? Would it be a lot of work? Is 4 quarts enough? Would it look weird haven't the outside one colour but a lot of the inside corners and jams a different colour? Just looking for advice from anyone who has done a colour change. |
Well, windows out is the best time to paint it.
So you'd have 4 quarts (1 US gallon) of paint. What kind of paint is it? Just asking, as some paints mix differently than others. Some examples of this are Dupont/Nason/Axalta (same co.), which are mixed 4 parts paint to 1 part reducer. While PPG uses 1 part paint to 1 1/2 (metallic) to 2 parts (solid color) reducer. It also depends on which kind of paint too, as some urethane's require a different mix with different chemicals. Also, some paints are BC/CC (Base Coat/Clear Coat), while others already have clears mixed in. Enamel mixes from Dupont use 4:1:1/2 (paint to reducer to hardener). Best bet would be to google the paint, and get a mixing ratio for it. Then talk to your local paint supplier, and see if they can hook you up.
Something to think about (another example), if you were using PPG Deltron paint, that uses 1160 or 1170 (depending on temp) reducer, you'd have 1 1/2 gallons of sprayable paint to use. Depending on how well it hides the old color, that could be enough to change the color of the car. But, you'd still have to clear coat it (again needing almost as much clear).
However, with the windows out, and no seals on, that's the best time to change the color to something you like. Ideally, you'd like to know what kind of paint the PO used, when he (or his painter) re-painted the car. This is mainly so you don't get lifting or other chemical reactions, like painting lacquer over enamel, or some urethanes. What I'm getting at is you might need to seal the existing paint (with epoxy primer, or a primer sealer), before you can work off it.
Sorry for the long drawn out reply, but I thought you might want to make an informed decision. It's not something as simple as scuffing it up and throwing some lacquer based BC/CC paint on it and calling it good. It's really not that simple. Ask Tram, he'll tell you too. |
I think he's eyeballing the same 4 quarts of original VW synthetic resin paint I have been scratching my head over. I keep meaning to pull the trigger but then logic wins out... that paint has got to be 40 to nearly 50 years old, and of a type I haven't seen in decades.
I think there will be all kinds of separation and bonding issues with it quite frankly. I'm not even sure you'd be able to get the correct reducers to work with it.
Two words of caution:
1. Any paint job is only as good as what is underneath it, and there ARE compatibility issues with different types of paints that can cause crazing and separation later. If it were me I'd be tempted to soda blast down to bare metal if you really really REALLY MUST use that vintage paint.
2. If you're going to change color, there's only one way to do it- the right way- and that means strip everything out and do it with the body off the pan- inside outside over sideways down. Repaint the pan while you are at it. Clean your fasteners and send them out for proper yellow zinc plating.
"Where do we stop?", you ask? When it's perfect. Otherwise respray as original and PLEASE clean up the overspray!!!
I'm going to say something Bob and most other body guys won't like- forget base coat clear coat. It's just dead wrong unless you are doing a custom. Single stage and color sanding/ buffing is what it takes to do this right. The only colors that were base/ clear in those days were metallics.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:41 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Tram wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
old_man wrote: |
So after some work a very helpful Provincial worker I finally got the car titled in my name. I can now move forward, I didn't really want to spend money on a car that wasn't in my name.
This brings me to a dilemma. Currently the car has all it's windows out, it's headliner removed. it's interior essentially stripped, and all the trim, head lights, and other bright work removed. The wife and I aren't the fondest of it's current colour. I also noticed someone is selling 4 quarts of peru green paint. Should I? Would it be a lot of work? Is 4 quarts enough? Would it look weird haven't the outside one colour but a lot of the inside corners and jams a different colour? Just looking for advice from anyone who has done a colour change. |
Well, windows out is the best time to paint it.
So you'd have 4 quarts (1 US gallon) of paint. What kind of paint is it? Just asking, as some paints mix differently than others. Some examples of this are Dupont/Nason/Axalta (same co.), which are mixed 4 parts paint to 1 part reducer. While PPG uses 1 part paint to 1 1/2 (metallic) to 2 parts (solid color) reducer. It also depends on which kind of paint too, as some urethane's require a different mix with different chemicals. Also, some paints are BC/CC (Base Coat/Clear Coat), while others already have clears mixed in. Enamel mixes from Dupont use 4:1:1/2 (paint to reducer to hardener). Best bet would be to google the paint, and get a mixing ratio for it. Then talk to your local paint supplier, and see if they can hook you up.
Something to think about (another example), if you were using PPG Deltron paint, that uses 1160 or 1170 (depending on temp) reducer, you'd have 1 1/2 gallons of sprayable paint to use. Depending on how well it hides the old color, that could be enough to change the color of the car. But, you'd still have to clear coat it (again needing almost as much clear).
However, with the windows out, and no seals on, that's the best time to change the color to something you like. Ideally, you'd like to know what kind of paint the PO used, when he (or his painter) re-painted the car. This is mainly so you don't get lifting or other chemical reactions, like painting lacquer over enamel, or some urethanes. What I'm getting at is you might need to seal the existing paint (with epoxy primer, or a primer sealer), before you can work off it.
Sorry for the long drawn out reply, but I thought you might want to make an informed decision. It's not something as simple as scuffing it up and throwing some lacquer based BC/CC paint on it and calling it good. It's really not that simple. Ask Tram, he'll tell you too. |
I think he's eyeballing the same 4 quarts of original VW synthetic resin paint I have been scratching my head over. I keep meaning to pull the trigger but then logic wins out... that paint has got to be 40 to nearly 50 years old, and of a type I haven't seen in decades.
I think there will be all kinds of separation and bonding issues with it quite frankly. I'm not even sure you'd be able to get the correct reducers to work with it.
Two words of caution:
1. Any paint job is only as good as what is underneath it, and there ARE compatibility issues with different types of paints that can cause crazing and separation later. If it were me I'd be tempted to soda blast down to bare metal if you really really REALLY MUST use that vintage paint.
2. If you're going to change color, there's only one way to do it- the right way- and that means strip everything out and do it with the body off the pan- inside outside over sideways down. Repaint the pan while you are at it. Clean your fasteners and send them out for proper yellow zinc plating.
"Where do we stop?", you ask? When it's perfect. Otherwise respray as original and PLEASE clean up the overspray!!!
I'm going to say something Bob and most other body guys won't like- forget base coat clear coat. It's just dead wrong unless you are doing a custom. Single stage and color sanding/ buffing is what it takes to do this right. The only colors that were base/ clear in those days were metallics.
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Yes Georg, I know VW used single stage paint on their cars when they built them. They also used white primer over gray primer to get the color correct.
However, I'm so used to painting more modern stuff, that I normally just go to a BC/CC system.
I do agree with you, that you probably won't find reducer for that 40-50 year old VW paint. I had a qt of it here years ago, and even talking with ALL of the different paint suppliers in my area at the time (Dupont, PPG, Sherwin Williams, Sikkens) that nobody could find out what VW used to reduce it. You'd probably have to put each can on a shaker for at least a 1/2 hour and pray that it actually mixed completely. They're really more for looking at now a days (novelty items).
So, when do you quit on getting the paint prep, when the car is more Porsche perfect like, than it currently is. In other words, days, and weeks of sanding your finger prints off your fingers. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Logic has won out on me. This isn't going to be my dream show car. I will just have to accept the beige and hope it grows on me.
It would be fun to learn how to completely strip and paint a car but I think the expenses would grow considerably.
Beige it is! |
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Tram Samba Socialist
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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old_man wrote: |
Logic has won out on me. This isn't going to be my dream show car. I will just have to accept the beige and hope it grows on me.
It would be fun to learn how to completely strip and paint a car but I think the expenses would grow considerably.
Beige it is! |
The expenses are nothing compared to the tediousness. _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Tram wrote: |
old_man wrote: |
Logic has won out on me. This isn't going to be my dream show car. I will just have to accept the beige and hope it grows on me.
It would be fun to learn how to completely strip and paint a car but I think the expenses would grow considerably.
Beige it is! |
The expenses are nothing compared to the tediousness. |
Then you add in everything that might have been usable before paint, now needs to be replaced. I don't know how many times I've run into it when doing paint work for someone else who was trying to say a few bucks. What starts out as a 6K paint job, quickly becomes a 17K restoration. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Well, seeing as I decided not to completely strip and repaint the car I decided to take car of some of the rust I found. I had some left over rust bullet paint from when I painted the garage floor so I used that.
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:59 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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That'll work. Anything you can put down in that area will help keep it around, as that section seems to rust due to water leaks and or holding moisture. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:21 am Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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An interesting morning today. I followed a lead and met a gentleman in the middle of the province that had 2 squarebacks that he was parting out. I didn't get everything I wanted but I got some stuff. The blue one with a white interior must have been stunning back in it's day.
He also had some other intesting cars including an Austin America, 3 bugs, and an old Renault.
A massive spider made it's home in one of the bugs, I didn't know we had such bugs up here.
The score.
I assume these are broken. I am thinking to save money I will just epoxy them back together.
The speedo is ratty looking but I think with a bit of TLC I can make it look good again. Here it is taken apart.
I have a concern about the windshield I got. The wide stuff around the edge I believe is the middle layer. The wife says it's not that bad and I should just run with it. Part of me agrees because I can't find a windshield in this country and shipping one would be rather expensive.
Oh, and am I missing a part here or is the lower shroud just too far back?
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old_man Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: My 67 Squareback |
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Here is the speedo after a but of polish and some rust paint
Anyone know what this is? It was connected to the wiring harness under the dash. Should it be there? I can't seem to find it on any wiring diagram.
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