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rcroane Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Nice VWUSA roof rack you have on top. Hang on to it. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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I hope the story i lay out is at least half as interesting as it is in my own head...
Bug was washed for the first time in probably 15 years yesterday.
VOA rack was a $20 deal many, many years ago. Noisy as all heck to drive with but cool.
Sunroof on the car. Interesting story there. The sunroof is the reason the car was unwanted and also the only reason we still own it.
My dad tells me he would have sold the car in the late 70's except a sunroof in California is cool. I am also told that grandpa did not want the sunroof when he bought the care but had to take it that way.
A little teaser and I will fill that story in once i dig out the as new pictures i have.
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jwp67 Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2012 Posts: 652
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Wow! That paint cleaned up nice. |
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Morganwerk Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2000 Posts: 496 Location: Sacramento Valley
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Looking forward to hearing your story! After my grandfather retired from the USAF in 1969 he bought a used 66 to drive to his new job at the post office. He passed it on to my Dad in 1976. I started driving it in 1989. Last week my wife and i participated in Dubs Around The Lake 8, a Lake Tahoe cruise.
My grandfather at Donner Summit back in the day
Currently:
_________________ Gary
1966 1300 Sea Sand
2003 GTi VR6 |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Nice bug Morganworks. I wish i had more pictures of my grandpa or dad with the bug. Sadly none i can find.
I dug high and low to find the original 1964 pictures of the bug with no luck. The best i could find was the day it was given to me which was likely the summer of 1986. Literally just drug home by my dad and un-hooked in the front yard. Who knows what i am looking for there...
The story as i heard it was back in 64 Grandpa wanted a commuter car to drive from Torrance to Huntington Beach where he worked for Douglas Aircraft. The VW Bug was the choice but the wait at the dealer was 6 months and cost ~ $1800. You of course got to choose the color and options.
At the corner of 11th & Pacific Coast Hwy in Hermosa Beach, Ca was a Grey Market VW dealer. Grey Market means they buy the cars new in Europe and import them for "personal" use just to re-sell them as "new". Really new/used as they usually had very low miles on them. The deal was for a premium you got the next car in line. No choice of colors or options. Take it or leave it but you get it now. Grandpa got his VW but he also got things he did not want. I do not know what he paid but my recollection was $2300
- L360 sea blue. Not sure if he cared.
- Sunroof. He did not want this and it cost him an extra $100
- Radio. Did not want that and it cost him more $$
- European Steering Lock. Standard equipment.
The rest of the bug was pretty standard as far as i could tell. He got his bug without the wait but had to pay more for it.
Here i am right after my restoration at that same intersection. Dad took me down there to take pictures.
More later. |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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And let the work begin.
My son has been baptized in VW grime. We learned what the parts are and how to take apart from the wheel to the backing plate Saturday.
The key leasons for the day:
1. Once your hands are grimy don't pick up another tool or touch the car without wiping them off.
2. Gloves are good.
3. When dad say's clean the tools don't use soap & water and the kitchen sink. My tools are really clean but mom is not happy.
We found a few surprises. Drivers side inner tie rod is WAY shot. 3/16" play. The rest seem fine.
The link pins. What do you guys think of the red dust here??
I had these rebuilt maybe 30K miles ago. (of course 25 years ago too) It looks to me like they were never greased and now have red "rust" from wear. There is also a pretty good clunk in each side. I have already been researching.
- King pin rebuild. Can this be done at home if you have a hydraulic press and a basic machine shop? Seems line the king pin reamer is the only trick part.
- Link pin rebuild. Aside from the shim set-up at install any special tools here?
- Does brand matter for either?
- Brakes. Been researching Wide 5 disc systems that add no track width. Alot of mixed info out there. Any links to honest reviews?
We will take the spindles off this week and start the rebuild. |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Small steps this week.
I dug out the old parts cleaner from when i was a kid. Served me well then and will serve again. I use Simple Green as the cleaner. Very effective with some elbow grease. Must have taken out 3" of sludge.
In anticipation of a bad link & king pins i did the research, found a king pin reamer and ordered parts. Good thing i did because once the spindles were pulled i found that i was probably snookered back in the day. No grease at all and the amount of wear suggest they may have never been replaced. Not sure.....
That was not even the worst one. Both king pins have play in them too.
Next move is to dig out the old hydraulic press and start taking them apart and then clean all the parts up for re-build and re-install.
My question for today is this.
How hard is it to pull the front beam, link arms and sway bar? I hate dirty things. The front beam is clean but the link arms on both sides are dirty. Really dirty. Any advice here? |
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blitz64 Samba Member
Joined: October 04, 2009 Posts: 55 Location: Liberty Lake, WA
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Wow! I also have my grandfather’s 1964 Sea Blue sunroof California car. When he passed in 1989 I bought the car from my grandmother. I don’t however have kids and can’t seem to attract any nieces or nephews to the car
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Pulling link arms and sway bar are probably easier than taking the kingpins apart. I don’t bother dicking around trying to get the stock clamps off the sway bar and typically cut them off and replace them. Think they’re only $10-15 to replace. _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
“...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” - Michael Caine |
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Helfen Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2009 Posts: 3448 Location: Vulcania
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Bryan67 wrote: |
There`s nothing wrong with nice, shiny new paint.
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That's one nice 66! |
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Mos6502 Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2015 Posts: 727
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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matthew henricks wrote: |
No grease at all and the amount of wear suggest they may have never been replaced. Not sure..... |
Did you, maybe, perhaps, not realize they have to be greased regularly as part of general maintenance?
The 1964 manual calls for the pins to be greased every 1500 miles. That's why they have zerk fittings on them. They likely were greased, 30K miles ago when you had somebody work on them - but if nobody greased them since... |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Crimes of my youth. Very good chance of this...
Mos6502 wrote: |
Did you, maybe, perhaps, not realize they have to be greased regularly as part of general maintenance?
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matthew henricks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Nice 64 Blitz64. Very clean.
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Wow! I also have my grandfather’s 1964 Sea Blue sunroof California car. |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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Thanks Sharp64. I ordered a Bentley Manual to see the details. Will look into replacement clamps. When removing the old ones how much danger of the sway bar springing and hitting me when removing and re-installing?
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Pulling link arms and sway bar are probably easier than taking the kingpins apart. I don’t bother dicking around trying to get the stock clamps off the sway bar and typically cut them off and replace them. Think they’re only $10-15 to replace. |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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I'll upload pictures later but today we pulled apart the king pins. Hydraulic press and a bashing of shims and rods and they came apart. Things are all cleaned up and ready to go back together. I have a few questions.
1. Is the bore in the center steering section supposed to be a tight fit on the king pin?
2. The thrust washers. Should they be shinny? I have one that is and one that is not.
3. Do the grease nipples screw in or press in? Tried to take one out and it was not going anywhere...
4. What tricks do you guys use to get the surface rust off parts (backing plate and steering knuckle) so it would take simple black paint OK and look somewhat better? I do not have access to a sand blaster.
Thanks |
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Sharp64 Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 5305 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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matthew henricks wrote: |
Thanks Sharp64. I ordered a Bentley Manual to see the details. Will look into replacement clamps. When removing the old ones how much danger of the sway bar springing and hitting me when removing and re-installing?
Sharp64 wrote: |
Pulling link arms and sway bar are probably easier than taking the kingpins apart. I don’t bother dicking around trying to get the stock clamps off the sway bar and typically cut them off and replace them. Think they’re only $10-15 to replace. |
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Sorry I missed this. Sounds like you got it worked out but there isn’t any spring back which I’m sure you figured out.
A wire wheel on a grinder works well getting rust off. There is also something called Vaporust that I recently used and it worked great. Literally eat the rust off. Pretty cool stuff. Its not cheap though and you are supposed to submerse the part. You can also just clean it up well/degrease and spray paint with a rust converting paint.
The bore is supposed to be tight but not too tight. You should be able to manipulate it by hand. Iirc it’s supposed to take like 4# of force? _________________ 1960 Indigo Blue Ragtop (Blue Barry)
1967 Ghia
1985 Westy Money Pit
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matthew henricks Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandfathers 1964 Bug. A four generation story. |
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More of the story.
Grandpa bought the car as a cheap commuter car in the mid 60's and was working for Douglas Aircraft likely in Santa Monica. At some point Douglas (or McDonald Douglas) opened the Huntington Beach plant and the bug was the commuter car for that for many years.
The ensuing years are lost to time. Grandpa has passed and back then picture taking was not as easy to do as it is today. I can remember in the 80's the bug parked with a cover on it at my dad's shop in Fountain Valley and that is all. I will have to ask if there are any stories about it available.
Now back to today. Branden & I took apart the spindles Friday and pressed in the new bushings yesterday. It is nice to have a hydraulic press around. Man were they a hard press out.
Look mom. I did this and yes these are my new shorts...
The results
The bits and pieces
We then attacked the sway bar. After some whacks it came off pretty easy.
Our next task is to send the king pins off to be reamed and then to take off the trailing arms. We want to clean them up and i want to know if there are any broken leaf springs. The bug has always sat sort of low to me. Both front and back. Sorta sagging.
Question for the day. What are the shims that came out of the sway bar clamps? |
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1212 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:25 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandpa's 1964 Bug. Getting her back on the road |
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No pictures today but some progress.
Big shout out to Greg over at Vintage Warehouse. He was a huge help in getting the new king pin bushings reamed properly since that was a tool i did not feel the need to buy. King pins should be back next week.
After some thinking and adding up cost we decided to install front disc brakes on the bug. I know that is not stock but all along i told myself and Branden that he could do whatever he wanted as long as i could un-do it later. This qualifies.
Last night we pulled all four link arms off. Talk abut dirty. We want to replace the seals, clean the area up and make sure all the leaf springs are solid.
Slow but steady. |
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mikec4193 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Great Grandpa's 1964 Bug. Getting her back on the road |
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I love the history of your Beetle....seeing a young person working on a vintage VW and not playing with electronics gives me faith in the next generation again...thanks for posting...
MikeC _________________ Dad bought his first Beetle on Dec 17, 1953. |
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