VW Birth Certificate from Stiftung AutoMuseum

[ctknecht]

This topic has been covered in a few different threads, but I am creating a new one because I am seeking some specific feedback about my "birth certificate".

Here is the biggest thread about this topic: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=398

Back in April, I ordered a Certificate and Data Sheet. Here are some pictures of the product I received. Very professionally done. The documents arrived in a folder and the envelope was protected with a sheet of cardstock to keep them from getting bent in shipping. I have some questions to follow. Please review and offer any feedback you have for us. Nothing of great importance, but simple curiosity about a few things.

For reference, I have a 1969 Beetle Sedan Deluxe Autostick.

I ordered this because I had a suspicion that our engine was the original and I was hoping to prove it. I just received the documents the other day and I was a little surprised to find that the engine I have is NOT the original (I knew the odds were against us, but the engine's crank case # allowed it to be a strong possibility for being a match to our VIN.)

1) As you can see from the first page, they state that my engine number did not correspond to our VIN. It has been my understanding (and others) that H5 designator on the engine only came with the Automatic Transmission, but based on the VIN list (https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php) it means this engine came with the M157 Option package which is the emissions for US & Canada. It does confirm the engine was for a Deluxe model (among others), and was not available for the base model (111). There is no mention that it was only available with Autostick (Option code M9).

Anyone else have any comments on this?
I am fairly certain that ALL original 1500 autostick engine cases began with the "H5", correct?
I am also fairly certain engine code H1 was offered in the US, so why is M157 spelled out exclusively for the H5 engine? (because didn't all Beetles imported to the US in 1969 have the M157 emissions option?)
Does anyone know if it was it possible to get an Automatic Transmission with an H1 engine code by chance?

Option Codes: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/mcodest1.php

2) Pages 2 & 3 confirm it is a Model 113 042, VW 1500 Sedan and was produced May 27, 1969 and originally came with Diamond Blue paint, Black leatherette seats, an Automatic transmission, a 44HP engine, and the White/Black rims (see bottom of page 2). It had option code M002 (U.S. Headlamps) and M350 (page 4 confirms M350 = U.S. Equipment: Seatbelts in front, MPH speedometer, 2 locking doors, Sealed-beam headlamps, Hazard Warning System, Without flasher, Laminated Windscreen, Ram protection, Drum brakes, Dual-circuit brake system, 12-volt-system). All of the above matches our car.

I find it odd that M009 (Automatic) was never spelled out explicitly like the other 2 options were. I also found it odd that other options were not even listed. Is that because some "options" came standard with the "Deluxe" model? or if coming to the U.S.?

I guess I was expecting more of a build sheet showing everything that was installed at the factory.

Anyway, just a little bummed that it's not a matching set, but thought I would post this anyway as an example in case anyone else is interested in doing it. I also welcome any feedback or commentary on this.

Regards,
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Chris & Chris
San Antonio, TX
1964 Beetle (still 1200cc)

[easy e]

Engine H5 66..... looks to have been made in January/Feb.
Not really close to the end of May.

Automatic was spelled out explicitly. Just not under M codes.

The dealer could have installed options not written down on your docs.

Don't forget to read the fine print at the bottom of your last pic.
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aka: Evan
Spreadsheet for Bus RPM, based on gearing & tire size (Excel format)
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[skills@eurocarsplus]

actually, I am surprised that they gave you the engine #.....I thought they would leave it blank if it wasn't correct
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[KTPhil]

It is disappointing that VW calls this an "automatic." There were "automatic stick shift" Bugs, and true "automatic" Type 3s in 1969, but there were no Type 1 automatics ever.

There are also documented errors in some birth certificates.

So take it all with a grain of salt.

[Splitdog]

[easy e]

It doesn’t tell the original engine number... they just repeated back the number he submitted (H 66______).
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aka: Evan
Spreadsheet for Bus RPM, based on gearing & tire size (Excel format)
Searchable, click-navigable 1958 Bus Parts List

[skills@eurocarsplus]

[glutamodo]

Yeah, kind of bizarre, that mention of 'automatic'... and yes, had it truly been a semi-automatic, it should have had option code M9 listed.
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Andy T.


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