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Alex Povidailo Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2018 Posts: 2 Location: OR
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:21 am Post subject: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Hi I am ruining into issue that when I charge my phone via cig lighter in my 1983 Vanagon ( water cooled) the fuse number 8 burns out. Then my break lights, interior lights and cig lighter stop working. It does not happen as soon as i plug in my phone to charge but rather after 3-4 days of charging it on a road trip. Any suggestions? ( I did replace the fuse and seem to fix the issue) |
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shagginwagon83 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2016 Posts: 3804 Location: VA/TN
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Maybe the charger is the issue? Bad ground? Maybe try cleaning inside ground of socket and phone charger. Maybe fuse panel socket is bad. I know one of my fuse sockets is bad. One for front header. I need new panel
The number 8 fuse controls your Interior lights, cigarette lighter, stop lights(8A). Maybe the issue happens at night? Maybe consider converting your stop lights to LED to lighten the load. _________________ Brandon
"Jo Ann" - '83.5 Westfalia EJ22e w/Peloquin
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2562 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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newer phones are drawing a bunch of current... as you use the phone over the course of several days, the battery is draining lower and lower and requiring more current to charge - was the phone ever showing 100% charge? assume the worst and it draws 1.5A of current. add in the interior lights and their draw. what was the rating of the fuse you replaced? |
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fxr Samba Member
Joined: December 07, 2014 Posts: 2325 Location: Bay area CA
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Some ciggie lighter sockets are poorly made, with the rear plate containing the spade contacts not glued or welded in. These plates can be pushed back out of the body of the socket and then be shorted out by the tip of the lighter plug.
I've had this happen twice due to over-enthusiastic plugging in by Mrs fxr. Superglue cures the problem - I went around all the rest of the sockets and glued them up as well. _________________ Jim Crowther
1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
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Alex Povidailo Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2018 Posts: 2 Location: OR
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Thanks, for your replies. i replaced with the standard 8 amp fuse. I guess its better not to charge the phone at night with any lights turned on to minimize the current draw. |
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1146
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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The original cigarette lighter sockets are a really loose fit with modern accessories. Swapping it for a new one is a cheap simple thing to try. Also USB chargers are available in different wattages. You could try a different one. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Yellow Rabbit wrote: |
... Also USB chargers are available in different wattages. You could try a different one. |
If the OP is using a 2.1 AMP USB or higher outlet to charge the phone, that could be the source of woe. Using a 1 Amp outlet may solve the problem. Would dirty or poor connections in circuits on that fuse possibly exacerbate this issue?
The OP sees the issue after 3-4 days phone is plugged into cig outlet. Does a device like that, with a really low battery, draw the most current as soon as its connected to a charge source?
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1146
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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It seems unlikely a 2.1 amp charger would blow an 8 amp fuse. Maybe someone has wired other accessories to that circuit. Perhaps there’s something else like a bad brake light ground causes the overload when the brakes are applied. The phone charger just might be loading the circuit enough to expose another issue. |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Yellow Rabbit wrote: |
... Perhaps there’s something else like a bad brake light ground causes the overload when the brakes are applied. The phone charger just might be loading the circuit enough to expose another issue. |
Yes. This is part of where my thinking was going.
I had a brake light switch wire corrode, fall free, and intermittently short to ground. But then when it contacted ground even for a "second", the fuse would blow.
Neil.
Image of failed brake switch wire terminal
connector for same
_________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2562 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Yellow Rabbit wrote: |
It seems unlikely a 2.1 amp charger would blow an 8 amp fuse. Maybe someone has wired other accessories to that circuit. Perhaps there’s something else like a bad brake light ground causes the overload when the brakes are applied. The phone charger just might be loading the circuit enough to expose another issue. |
good call, remove the fuse and put a ammeter in series (probes into each side of the fuse) and look at the current draw with and without the phone connected.
don't run it long, just long enough to check the current. |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Charging Smartphone via cig lighter burns out fuse # 8. |
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Its not the draw, its the stupid lighter socket as mentioned by Yellow Rabbit previously.
I used to have a VW LED rechargeable flashlight in my lighter socket - and every time I touched it, it shorted out and blew the fuse...
Either repair a la Foxr or replace as per Yellow Rabbit and charge your phone day and night.
Happiness ensues. _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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