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72lowslow Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2015 Posts: 138 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: A better fuel filter! |
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He to all.
I have this questions on my head for couple weeks, I have a rusty fuel tank, and was thinking a bout coating with por15, but most of the guru's here said it can be worse if is not done right, I read an other suggestions about keep the fuel tank always full, I like that, now I'm looking for a good fuel filter with better filtration vs the paper stocks one!
Anyone ever upgrade the fuel filter to a better one (more efficient)?
And where is the best place to installed?
Outside of the engine compartment.
Thanks
Balt
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5780 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:57 am Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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I'd say that it's not that you need a better fuel filter. All that crap in there is being trapped by those, which is good. You just need to change those standard ones out often.
Thia actually gives me an idea. If you put two of these in line, then the second one is a test of how well the first one is functioning. If the first one is doing its job, then the second one should always look new. _________________ John
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51125 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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Ummm....., why not just clean the tank? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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72lowslow Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2015 Posts: 138 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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jtauxe wrote: |
I'd say that it's not that you need a better fuel filter. All that crap in there is being trapped by those, which is good. You just need to change those standard ones out often.
Thia actually gives me an idea. If you put two of these in line, then the second one is a test of how well the first one is functioning. If the first one is doing its job, then the second one should always look new. |
Thanks jtauxe
I was thinking go that way, put two filter,s change which look more dirty, and attach a shutoff valve after the tank, to make more easy the job.
But I learned that always is good idea came and asked here. _________________ If you want to get into this hobby better you have a very strong strong wallet. |
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Hikelite Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2012 Posts: 557 Location: Colville, WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Ummm....., why not just clean the tank? |
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I'm sure the POR15 kit works great if you follow the directions. If you're uncertain about that product, there are other gas tank treatment options.
If you follow this guide, you should be fine:
http://www.ratwell.com/technical/FuelTankRestoration.html _________________ ~Kevin
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2573 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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just buy the filters by the box |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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another vote for just clean the tank. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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This is what I did:
I wanted a filter with a shutoff valve. When I ordered this I thought it had a filter, but it is only a sediment bowl. If I were to do it again I would buy this filter, sediment bowl and shutoff valve, and a spare filter cartridge.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YANMAR-TRACTOR-FUEL-FILTER-VALVE-ASSEMBLY-S-/252132662695
I used a coil mounting bracket and many threaded and barbed fittings and yellow teflon tape. Some may not like it in the engine bay, but it is away from ignition and flying belt sources. I like the sediment bowl because my camper is in storage for several months at a time. I'll be able to see any rust particles or water from condensation in the tank.
Aloha
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72lowslow Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2015 Posts: 138 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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Tom Powell wrote: |
This is what I did:
I wanted a filter with a shutoff valve. When I ordered this I thought it had a filter, but it is only a sediment bowl. If I were to do it again I would buy this filter, sediment bowl and shutoff valve, and a spare filter cartridge.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YANMAR-TRACTOR-FUEL-FILTER-VALVE-ASSEMBLY-S-/252132662695
I used a coil mounting bracket and many threaded and barbed fittings and yellow teflon tape. Some may not like it in the engine bay, but it is away from ignition and flying belt sources. I like the sediment bowl because my camper is in storage for several months at a time. I'll be able to see any rust particles or water from condensation in the tank.
Aloha
tp |
Hoo man this setup looking pretty awesome!
which results've you had with this setup?
I really like this but, how safe can be with the fires issue's on the bay's? _________________ If you want to get into this hobby better you have a very strong strong wallet. |
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Tom Powell Samba Member
Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4855 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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72lowslow wrote: |
Hoo man this setup looking pretty awesome!
which results've you had with this setup?
I really like this but, how safe can be with the fires issue's on the bay's? |
The results that I have with the sediment bowl are;
No observed water or rust particles.
No filtration before the fuel pump.
A handy shutoff valve.
Any time you have a fuel line in the engine bay there is a risk of fire. The engine needs a fuel line. It's all about risk management.
If I were to do it again I would buy this filter, sediment bowl and shutoff valve, and a spare filter cartridge.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YANMAR-TRACTOR-FUEL-FILTER-VALVE-ASSEMBLY-S-/252132662695
Post your results.
Aloha
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rockerarm Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2009 Posts: 3552 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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Hi. I ran into the same situation back 35+ years ago with a '71 bus, bought after sitting a few years. Being a work bus I needed it to be functional every day, but was clogging up the simple little plastic filters. The bus would flat out run outa gas on large hills. Being a dealer tech at a Los Angeles dealership I sourced the VW Rabbit Diesel fuel filter assy from a totaled diesel Rabbit. Very simple to install. Huge filter to trap an enormous amount of crud, and it did. After the install at no time did I experience a fuel related "running out of gas" scenario, or the common dirt in the pilot jet. The spin on replacement filters are available from all the major filter suppliers.
My current "71 bus has the same setup and I believe the filter was changed over 5 years ago. I did the same on my daily driver '58, clamping this huge filter to the front beam. Am currently running the same setup on my DD '74.
Obviously, a cleaned out fuel tank is optimum but proper filtration is paramount.
Hope this helps, Bill. |
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DucksHockey Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2016 Posts: 27 Location: Orange County CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:17 am Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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I have this same set up on my bus, but noticed that the eBay link now shows that the fuel filter is old stock and not available.
Does anyone know what the part number is for the replacement filter cartridge? _________________ 1971 Bus
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4520 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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Have the tank boiled out, skip the coating.
Off subject: 72lowslow, does your bus really burn/leak oil bad enough to carry a rack full? |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3382
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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I just sourced a small micron, inline filter from Napa. It is not see through but it really works. I'll post the part number tomorrow _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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busman78 wrote: |
Have the tank boiled out, skip the coating.
Off subject: 72lowslow, does your bus really burn/leak oil bad enough to carry a rack full? |
I think that was Tom Powell’s bus _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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busman78 Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 4520 Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:11 am Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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Sorry did not scroll to original picture,
So Tom same question, does your engine leak/burn that much oil between changes? |
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TomWesty Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2007 Posts: 3482 Location: Wyoming,USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:22 am Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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busman78 wrote: |
Sorry did not scroll to original picture,
So Tom same question, does your engine leak/burn that much oil between changes? |
Mr. Powell won’t be responding with his usual wit and flair. He left us to go to his final resting place a while back. He’s sorely missed around here. I suspect he just liked to be prepared by having enough oil if he needed it. He seemed to be the type to keep up on maintenance. _________________ If you haven't bled on them, you haven't worked on them.
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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OK NAPA 3095 is a ford inline filter with a very low micron rating. It will stop rust, I would carry a spare or 2 as it is not see through. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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Whaanga Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2016 Posts: 625 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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I just went through this whole ordeal. I dropped the engine last summer (2017) and also cleaned the tank - but not correctly. Within one year I was back to having to do just what you're dealing with: dirty filters and a stalling engine. SG Kent, from all the way across the county helped me find a good radiator shop here in Rochester (thanks again Steve) and within a week, I lowered the engine, pulled the tank, and had it professionally serviced. I reinstalled the tank and have had no issues since.
Pull the tank and have it serviced by professionals. Peace of mind is better than a box of dirty fuel filters. _________________ Late 1973 Bay w/a transplanted 914 Engine |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: A better fuel filter! |
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The issue can go on for years unless you drop and service the tank. Especially with the ethanol and its water seeking nature. The rusty tank just get rustier and more grief. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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