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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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Thanks for the support!
One interesting factor of the German TUV requirements were the restrictions on underbody rust. If a VW flunked the test, it could not be driven legally by a German national. However, a car was not required to pass the TUV for export registration (or any other mechanical test), which is another reason why so many of them ended up in the hands of American tourists. Due to the crazy regulations, a car that was considered scrap in Germany could only be made roadworthy if it were resold for export! _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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c_wilburn Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2012 Posts: 54 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:53 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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wow, thanks for all the responses. Having a Brasilia in addition to being a new split owner, questions of "how many" come up regularly.
This is my recent purchase, a May of 52 that has been repaired badly front and rear, plus at some point underwent a "zwitter transformation". Its rough, but I'm digging it, and once I have all the bits again, I'll tear into it for a real restoration. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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.. many happy years of enjoyment. That '52 is a great foundation, you have there... one of the few remaining _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
Thanks for the support!
One interesting factor of the German TUV requirements were the restrictions on underbody rust. If a VW flunked the test, it could not be driven legally by a German national. However, a car was not required to pass the TUV for export registration (or any other mechanical test), which is another reason why so many of them ended up in the hands of American tourists. Due to the crazy regulations, a car that was considered scrap in Germany could only be made roadworthy if it were resold for export! |
... nothing worse than a buncha' rules-
- but I guess, Germany has them so, citizens buy more cars, create more employment and improves the economy.
We have some states with harsh motor vehicle laws and other's that are more relaxed. We used to live in tough and harsh NJ and NY and now reside in "a land of the free", more relaxed-Oklahoma... California and Texas are tough ones also - dense populations are a contributing factor, i'd say...
... you know what they say, " German sausage are the wurst" _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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sled Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 6179
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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how much of this car is actually may of 52? it looks like an oval window that had a split window grafted in.
c_wilburn wrote: |
wow, thanks for all the responses. Having a Brasilia in addition to being a new split owner, questions of "how many" come up regularly.
This is my recent purchase, a May of 52 that has been repaired badly front and rear, plus at some point underwent a "zwitter transformation". Its rough, but I'm digging it, and once I have all the bits again, I'll tear into it for a real restoration. |
_________________ drive your split. |
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c_wilburn Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2012 Posts: 54 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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sled wrote: |
how much of this car is actually may of 52? it looks like an oval window that had grafted in |
The entire pan, the main shell, the passenger door, probably the front hood. The car was hit hard front and rear at some points. Basicly it would be the equivalent of a split Baja as everything beyond that point is from a number of other vehicles, including a bunch of oval parts (making me think the first repairs were done fairly early on) and some mid 60’s parts, and a rear apron that may be just an aftermarket replacement. It has definitely been rode hard and I’m sure lived a hard life. It will take a lot of time and money to get it right. |
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c_wilburn Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2012 Posts: 54 Location: Kentucky
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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ZENVWDRIVER wrote: |
.. many happy years of enjoyment. That '52 is a great foundation, you have there... one of the few remaining |
Thanks, it’s got a long way to go for sure but they all start from something. |
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Hacksaw-BoB Samba Member
Joined: March 12, 2009 Posts: 778 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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YES . . . the German vehicle laws are very strict !!
When I bought the 1949 Hebmuller VW (14-00258) in June, 1970, the German vehicle registration document had the
corner cut off meaning that it could no longer be driven in Germany unless the rust and mechanical issues were resolved.
But being in the US Army at the time and getting the US Army inspection registration approved to ship to the USA, basically
required that the vehicle was running and drivable, all the lights, turn signals, tires and horn to be working. . . .
And it look presentable !! I made sure that was all acceptable to get the Hebmuller shipped to San Diego, CA back then in
1971 when I left the Army.
As a side note, when calculating the number of Split Window that are left in the world, please make sure that subtract one
from the total as this 1950 Split Window VW was only used for parts and then scrapped back then in 1970.
. . . . .
_________________ Hacksaw BoB
http://www.VintageVolkswagenModels.com
Collector of Vintage VW Toys
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24129 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
Due to the crazy regulations, a car that was considered scrap in Germany could only be made roadworthy if it were resold for export! |
… Or to American military personnel!
I have subtracted 99.9% of German the split window fleet, which includes that 1950. The Hebmuller would fall under "cars rescued by quirky Americans." _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7951 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:00 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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how many splits left? not enough! is the answer |
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mbliss13 Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2013 Posts: 45 Location: Santa Clara, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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Super interesting thread! I am restoring a 1951 Standard that was originally delivered in Offenburg Germany. I've always wondered (and tried to find) how many of each model type were originally manufactured by year (i.e. Standard, Standard Sunroof, Deluxe, Deluxe Sunroof, etc.).
I know that the Split Registry is likely a subset of total remaining cars, but it is amazing that I only count 53 or so Standard Splits for 1951 considering that 98,709 cars were built that year. (.05%) Those that have an 11e are in even a rarer population!
Because these cars were considered expendable, I am sure that many of them were used, modified, scrapped, all of the above. Often times the most manufactured cars become the rarest over time.
Cheers everyone!
-Mike _________________ 1951 Standard Beetle (German Delivery)
1954 Beetle, L275 Light Beige Survivor
1960 Beetle Convertible, L41 Black
1962 Beetle, L87 Pearl White with Judson/1200 power
1967 Beetle, L282 Lotus White |
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rod_vw Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2006 Posts: 416 Location: Shropshire, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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Whilst we are wondering how many still exist does anyone know if this one is still complete...
1949 - 1-101991 - On the register as being in Hawaii
The car was rescued by me here in the UK way back in 1972 from the yard at the back of a dealer's workshop. I partly restored it and drove it for a few years then sold it on where it was well restored and passed into at least one more owner in the UK before crossing the Atlantic.
I've tried to find out before but never received a complete answer.
Any more info would be nice please. _________________ Rod,
Please visit http://www.historicvws.org.uk
https://www.facebook.com/historicvwclub/
1946 Beetle (Back on the road after over 50 years! Last major outing - Hessisch Oldendorf 2022)
2016 T6 Selfbuild Camper and a LWB MAN TGE in build. |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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I bought this '50 standard in 1978 while living in NJ and sold it in 1980 - was my daily.. here's me in 1978
... fast forward to Tulsa, Oklahoma - we moved in 1993 and found this... same car - can still be counted.
_________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7951 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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zen have you still got those fine 70s threads too...? |
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ZENVWDRIVER Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2008 Posts: 3340 Location: N.E. Oklahoma
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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finster wrote: |
zen have you still got those fine 70s threads too...? |
those flair-bottom pants were comfortable - was on my lunch break, in that picture - worked for Volvo Cars of North America, at the time... I was a real fashion statement. Most everyone wore a 3 piece suit and most of the time, I wore a flannel shirt with that same garb - fulfilling the requirements - a clip-on tie too.
My other car was a 1962 Volvo, P1800, with RHD - built at the Jensen factory in the UK...
... left that company in '85 and have not worn a tie since - do miss the pants though.
Do long for a split too... thinkin of getting a fiberglass split - style KDF dash with pods and installing in one of my current Bugs... i'd be happy with that. _________________ 5/50, pastel green 11G - SOLD
8/50, gray 11A Beetle
6/52, pastel green 11C - SOLD
11/4/52, black Zwitter - SOLD to my little bro.
1954 Porsche, pre A, with VW 36 horse- SOLD
1/54, black 11C Beetle - TRADED
2/55 Iceland green Beetle, on a 1965 pan
3/55 113 Beetle, stratos silver
1955 Messerschmitt KR175 - SOLD, sadly
1960 single cab
1962 SO33, with SO 42 interior
9/63 Pacific blue, Ghia
'87 Toyota MR2
'02 WestFORDia E-150, GAVE TO OUR SON
All super-heroes, wear a MASK
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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mandraks Samba Member
Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7050 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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tisius wrote: |
In the Netherlands, we love our split bugs (and all other air-c led VW's actually, it's all about the fun you can have with an air-cooled, no matter what model or year!), so we keep them alive
This was a part of our "Brillen en Ovalendag" show in Wilnis (Netherlands) 2018.
But those weren't the only lookers there :
[Img]https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1816122.jpg/[Img]
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those are very nice, too _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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I was doing some research a while back on what % of cars survive after so many years in the USA. I consistently read that only 1% of vehicles survive 20 years after production.
I do think these numbers are skewed a bit as it pertains to VW's, especially bugs. You only have to drive around on nice fall days in any city and see what cars older than 40 years are still being driven on Sunday drives. Here in PHX and in S. California you only see 60's-70's Mustangs, VW's, 50's-60-70's muscle cars, an occasional old PU and that's about it.
My bet is classic VW's survived in greater numbers than any other classic cars. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Slow 1200 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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whats the story on this one?
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tisius Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:17 am Post subject: Re: How many known splits are left? |
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That is an "Argentinian Porsche 356".
The story goes that Porsche was not allowed to export Porsche 356's to Argentina officially back in the days.
Not quite sure, but probably the Porsche 356 chassis (and some other Porsche parts as well) was obtained by a local firm in Argentina; they've built the body, which resulted in the kinda funky looking roof section and rear section of the car, amongst other obvious design deviations from the original 356 design.
That's what I've heard at the "Brillen en ovalendag" show, but obviously the car is a bit of a mystery
Here's a useful link:
http://mycarquest.com/2017/03/argentinian-porsche-356.html _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
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