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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

mabbo wrote:
Hi,

I recently bought a Swedish 55 Oval. This is the engine:
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The distributor is a Bosch VJU 4 BR 8. The vacuum canister usually looks different to mine. Is it just missing the bolt? What is the screw for?
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Also, I have a screw missing from the carb, I think its the venturi locating screw, can anyone confirm?
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Thanks, Neil


Open a topic on your 55 please Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

I'd love to find and/or source a correct May '55ish engine and parts.

If anyone has suggestions, let me know. I believe my engine is a '60?

My engine # is 378500 3
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Yes, 3785003 is an April, 1960 engine #.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Couldn't find any good pictures of the early 54 domed pistons... so here you go.
Never saw them before in real life.
Also notice the old part number on the pistons and that they were made in late 53. The engine is June 54, very excited to take my early Jan. 54 engine apart and look for the casting dates on these cylinders.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Sweet! Never seen them before either
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Nice pictures.
The piston is same from 21 december 1953 to 31 august 1954.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:42 am    Post subject: Uterus Manifold end date Reply with quote

Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Uterus Manifold end date Reply with quote

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Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold?


Progressive Refinements doe not list a changeover date/VIN/engine number.

My Dec '54 engine has the interim, black-painted, thin-wall manifold that preceded the 701E.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

RockStock wrote:
Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold?


Can’t find the reference now, but from my remembrance it was April of 1955. I have a late Jan. 55 engine that also came with this manifold.
Guess you’re asking because of your bus? This one should have the uterus manifold.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Changeover from Uterus to the 701e manifold.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

These are what I call "domed" pistons. I re-discovered and quickly cleaned up this set of used 77mm "dome-top" pistons, cylinders and their ring sets. The pistons seen just a few posts earlier I personally would call "dished", not "domed". Am I incorrect in that nickname nomenclature?

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Can anyone clearly and simply describe the advantages/disadvantages of both domed and dished piston tops versus the more common flat-top pistons we're used to seeing in old engines. Perhaps a little background about why each type was needed and when they were used by Volkswagen...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Bill, are you sure these came from a 36hp engine? I only knew them from later engines with 77 mm bore.

The pistons that I pictured were used in the early months of 1954. They lower the CR a bit and were replaced when they introduced the BR8 dizzy.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

No, I am not sure what those domed pistons go to. I was just putting the photos out there so someone might reply with info about what they were for, what year and type engine applications they have. I'm certainly no engine expert, but I'm assuming that the domed style reduces the combustion chamber volume and increases the compression ratio a bit? If someone knows for sure, let us all know. When you say "later engines with 77mm bore", which years and horsepower ratings are your thinking they might be for? Thanks for any info anyone!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Not sure if this is correct place, but here goes

4-08-54 industrial engine.

Not sure if the what’s correct standards are the same. But seems to be some items that aren’t??

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Was this in a vehicle? Strange for an industrial engine to have heater boxes on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

It was found on a buggy from the 60’s. Previous owner pulled from car in 60.

I read that some water industrial engines used heater boxes to warm water. I talked to Everett. He said it was a 57.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

The carburetor appears to be an early 40 horse 28 PICT.

The air filter probably a match to the above carburetor

Missing the plug wire tube

Coil might be later as I see spade teerminals but those can be added to an earlier coil.

Your distributor should be a BR 3 either VJU= vacuum/mechanical advance or VJ= mechanical advance. Check the badge.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

A pretty minor detail but pertinent to his topic is the design of the early Beetle vacuum canisters. At least for a few months and possibly longer into VJU 4 BR 8 production the vacuum nipple on the canister was cast away from the rest of the vacuum "pot". So VJU 4 BR 2 and 3 distributors and the earliest VJU 4 BR 8 should have a canister that looks like this:

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By late 1955 through 1960 the nipple was cast right up against the canister housing:

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The Bosch vacuum canisters have date stamps on them. They don't follow the usual Bosch pattern. The canisters are marked by quarter year, so I, II, III, IV are stamped before the letter year. III K= third quarter of 1954.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
Was this in a vehicle? Strange for an industrial engine to have heater boxes on it.

I'd guess it was industrial but someone converted it to use it in the Buggy
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nlorntson wrote:
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.

This is 25hp tin.

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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years.
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