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62ItalianRagtop Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2007 Posts: 1354 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:05 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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mabbo wrote: |
Hi,
I recently bought a Swedish 55 Oval. This is the engine:
The distributor is a Bosch VJU 4 BR 8. The vacuum canister usually looks different to mine. Is it just missing the bolt? What is the screw for?
Also, I have a screw missing from the carb, I think its the venturi locating screw, can anyone confirm?
Thanks, Neil |
Open a topic on your 55 please _________________ LOOKING FOR 62 ENGINE WITH NUMBER FROM 6.904.xxx TO 6.915.xxx
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Larmo63 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2015 Posts: 338 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:32 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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I'd love to find and/or source a correct May '55ish engine and parts.
If anyone has suggestions, let me know. I believe my engine is a '60?
My engine # is 378500 3 |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69807 Location: Phoenix Metro
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:09 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Couldn't find any good pictures of the early 54 domed pistons... so here you go.
Never saw them before in real life.
Also notice the old part number on the pistons and that they were made in late 53. The engine is June 54, very excited to take my early Jan. 54 engine apart and look for the casting dates on these cylinders.
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Chrisisw Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 148 Location: Amsterdam, Holland, Europe
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Sweet! Never seen them before either |
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sweden Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2006 Posts: 227 Location: sweden
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:27 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Nice pictures.
The piston is same from 21 december 1953 to 31 august 1954. _________________ Me and my sons cars Typ1 -49 -50 -51 -52 -52 -53 -53 -54 -55 -55 -56 -56 -57 -58 cab -64 cab
T3 TriStar airride with Audi 1,8T engine and Porsche 996 gearbox. |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3924 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:42 am Post subject: Uterus Manifold end date |
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Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold? _________________ -StockRocks- |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Uterus Manifold end date |
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RockStock wrote: |
Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold? |
Progressive Refinements doe not list a changeover date/VIN/engine number.
My Dec '54 engine has the interim, black-painted, thin-wall manifold that preceded the 701E. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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RockStock wrote: |
Does anyone have the final VIN of the Uterus Manifold? |
Can’t find the reference now, but from my remembrance it was April of 1955. I have a late Jan. 55 engine that also came with this manifold.
Guess you’re asking because of your bus? This one should have the uterus manifold. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4091
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Changeover from Uterus to the 701e manifold.
_________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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BulliBill Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4572 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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These are what I call "domed" pistons. I re-discovered and quickly cleaned up this set of used 77mm "dome-top" pistons, cylinders and their ring sets. The pistons seen just a few posts earlier I personally would call "dished", not "domed". Am I incorrect in that nickname nomenclature?
Can anyone clearly and simply describe the advantages/disadvantages of both domed and dished piston tops versus the more common flat-top pistons we're used to seeing in old engines. Perhaps a little background about why each type was needed and when they were used by Volkswagen...
Bill _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Bill, are you sure these came from a 36hp engine? I only knew them from later engines with 77 mm bore.
The pistons that I pictured were used in the early months of 1954. They lower the CR a bit and were replaced when they introduced the BR8 dizzy. |
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BulliBill Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4572 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:01 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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No, I am not sure what those domed pistons go to. I was just putting the photos out there so someone might reply with info about what they were for, what year and type engine applications they have. I'm certainly no engine expert, but I'm assuming that the domed style reduces the combustion chamber volume and increases the compression ratio a bit? If someone knows for sure, let us all know. When you say "later engines with 77mm bore", which years and horsepower ratings are your thinking they might be for? Thanks for any info anyone!
Bill _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
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type4split Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 681 Location: Hamilton, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Not sure if this is correct place, but here goes
4-08-54 industrial engine.
Not sure if the what’s correct standards are the same. But seems to be some items that aren’t??
_________________ '67 deluxe bus w/the little windows
'52 beetle
'55 convertible
'50-something convertible (*need ribbed 'vert quarter panel )
'63 "milo" beetle
Part, parts and more parts |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:57 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Was this in a vehicle? Strange for an industrial engine to have heater boxes on it. |
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type4split Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 681 Location: Hamilton, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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It was found on a buggy from the 60’s. Previous owner pulled from car in 60.
I read that some water industrial engines used heater boxes to warm water. I talked to Everett. He said it was a 57. _________________ '67 deluxe bus w/the little windows
'52 beetle
'55 convertible
'50-something convertible (*need ribbed 'vert quarter panel )
'63 "milo" beetle
Part, parts and more parts |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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The carburetor appears to be an early 40 horse 28 PICT.
The air filter probably a match to the above carburetor
Missing the plug wire tube
Coil might be later as I see spade teerminals but those can be added to an earlier coil.
Your distributor should be a BR 3 either VJU= vacuum/mechanical advance or VJ= mechanical advance. Check the badge. _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6371 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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A pretty minor detail but pertinent to his topic is the design of the early Beetle vacuum canisters. At least for a few months and possibly longer into VJU 4 BR 8 production the vacuum nipple on the canister was cast away from the rest of the vacuum "pot". So VJU 4 BR 2 and 3 distributors and the earliest VJU 4 BR 8 should have a canister that looks like this:
By late 1955 through 1960 the nipple was cast right up against the canister housing:
The Bosch vacuum canisters have date stamps on them. They don't follow the usual Bosch pattern. The canisters are marked by quarter year, so I, II, III, IV are stamped before the letter year. III K= third quarter of 1954. _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse |
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EverettB Administrator
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3foldfolly Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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nlorntson wrote: |
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.
This is 25hp tin.
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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years. |
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