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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:23 pm Post subject: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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So I have been searching the forums with no luck somhere goes... I know I need to connect the top under the intake with a hose into the hole on the bottom... is there just a grommet that then gets some exhaust heat? Or is the muffler missing something?
This little project took a tiny ride today! Interior done, brakes finally working, leaving the “ patina” for now... now on too the engine... no smoke starts right up but does not like the gas pedal... have been reading posts and will look to start some plugs, carb tuning etc... 30 pict 2 may need a rebuild...
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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Also... sorry not sure what this cable does? Runs from under the carb to the right of the engine then hides under where the plug wires go? Sorry first vw project
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VeeDubWolf Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2010 Posts: 656 Location: Yakima, WA
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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The open hole near the pulley is for preheat air to the air-cleaner, the lower opening on the air-cleaner without a hose seen in your first pic. There is also a pipe elbow that mounts in that hole for the hose to attach to. This piece:
No idea on the cable, looks like a sheath for a cable to slide in? (perhaps a previous owner mod?) _________________ Two Bugs-
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9772 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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What are we looking at hear?
Your generator is clocked incorrectly. The terminals should be at the 2 oclock position. The way it is now. It's not cooling properly.
Also you need to either install the warm air tube from the breast plate to the air filter or plug the hole in the breast plate. It's letting bottom heat into the engine compartment. That's a bad thing.
Get a little further away shot of the pic above and we can help better.
Don't worry about being new to vw mechanics. We all were once in our lives.
You have to start somewhere. It might as well be here. Where folks are willing to help. Most of the time!
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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:04 am Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Thanks! Here it is...
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volksworld Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2011 Posts: 2529 Location: formerly NY currently NC
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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originally your engine used a cable that ran from the thermostat flap on the 1/2 side around under the generator and up to the top of the air cleaner...you can see the bracket for it on top of the air cleaner above where the oil breather hose attaches...it manually opened the flap in the air cleaner snorkel to determine weather cold air came in through the end of the snorkel(engine warm, thermostat flaps open) or hot air came in through the pipe you are looking to replace (engine cold, thermostat flaps closed)....iirc without the cable hooked up it will just pull in cold air all the time...and of course you need a functional thermostat to make it work(many people remove them thinking the engine will run cooler).these cables were commonly cut back in the day cause they made it a pia to remove the air cleaner....later versions used engine vacuum or a thermostatic piece on the snorkel to operate the flap...if this is a summer only car,you can plug the hole...without the cable operational the lower piece and hose wont accomplish anything other than making your engine look better at shows. and p.s. your fuel filter is in backwards....there are many rants on here about not having the filter in the engine compartment (i tend to disagree , with a lot of "if's " involved) but thats another story |
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VeeDubWolf Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2010 Posts: 656 Location: Yakima, WA
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
What are we looking at hear? |
By the angle I'd guess the front side of the muffler, but without the depth perception of being there in person I can't tell if there's space for the pipe that mounts there. _________________ Two Bugs-
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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Thanks... I see a ton of information back and forth on carbs... with a strong gas smell and visible wet spots of gas and the stumble off idle... if I was to replace the carb (I’ll keep the old one) what is a solid replacement to go with? |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Kramer79 wrote: |
what is a solid replacement to go with? |
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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:14 am Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Tried to look at other photos of stock engines ... did not see this mystery screw on the intake pipe... any ideas? Thanks!
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Kramer79 wrote: |
Tried to look at other photos of stock engines ... did not see this mystery screw on the intake pipe... any ideas? Thanks!
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That's a 'homemade' vaccum plug made of a piece of hose with that screw stuffed into the end to seal it off.
here's a pic of that manifold from the gallery (bottom manifold in this pic)
part # 113129701m
Single port 66-70 model year "vacuum port on top"
https://bugcity.com/shop/shop.lasso?pquery=113129701m _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
1600DP AK case
Solex 34PICT3 Carb
Bosch DVDA 205AJ Distributor |
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Kramer79 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2017 Posts: 29 Location: Connecticut
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Ahh thanks! So with the 009 and no vacuum advance it is fine plugged up... thanks |
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AlmostHeavenWV_VW Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2017 Posts: 1966 Location: WV
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Pre heat/ heater riser question |
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Kramer79 wrote: |
Ahh thanks! So with the 009 and no vacuum advance it is fine plugged up... thanks |
Negative. That vacuum port is not for distributors. All distributor related vacuum ports are on the carb itself.
It is fine, however, to keep that port plugged if you wish.
Typically those vacuum ports on the manifold are for the little vacuum valve which operates the 'carb preheat air intake' flap in the air cleaner snout. _________________ 1973 Standard Beetle
1600DP AK case
Solex 34PICT3 Carb
Bosch DVDA 205AJ Distributor |
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