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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:29 am Post subject: early failures |
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As I didn't find the right thread to place this, I am opening this one to post about recently bought/installed parts that fail early.
I spent a lot of time to install this new axle boot and after 400 miles use is already leaking and shows cracks all around.
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51057 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:38 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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Since I'm about to do that job in a few weeks perhaps you could tell us who's boot it was? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:29 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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Given the garbage quality of many repro parts this could quickly become a bigger thread than the whines. You could fill up multiple pages just with front transmission mounts that fail within a month on install. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:45 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Since I'm about to do that job in a few weeks perhaps you could tell us who's boot it was? |
sure, I'll post as soon as I find out. The right side one is original VW and look as new.
Braukuche wrote: |
Given the garbage quality of many repro parts this could quickly become a bigger thread than the whines. You could fill up multiple pages just with front transmission mounts that fail within a month on install. |
right Let's try to restrict it to single part/brand _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:10 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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This is one of those parts that seem to be complete trash unless they are 40 years old. This is also one of the few places that an EMPI part is the best choice.
I use these, as do most folks I know, and they last indefinitely. Plus, they come in a wide range of colors to impress the judges. Just don't forget your ground mirrors for the display.
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ACC-C10-4421
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Culito 11010101
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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So those big ribbed ones ^^ really last the longest?
Makes sense after I just stretched my split boots in place. _________________ Copyright CJ Industries, Inc.
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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Culito wrote: |
So those big ribbed ones ^^ really last the longest?
Makes sense after I just stretched my split boots in place. |
Short answer, yes. And they have pleasure ribs, so that's good. _________________ nothing |
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busdaddy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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cdennisg wrote: |
And they have pleasure ribs, so that's good. |
If I turn it inside out will it be more fun for me?
Good to know, yet suprising considering who makes it, do they stretch on?, or do you have to do the full dismantle? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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busdaddy wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
And they have pleasure ribs, so that's good. |
If I turn it inside out will it be more fun for me?
Good to know, yet suprising considering who makes it, do they stretch on?, or do you have to do the full dismantle? |
They are split boots, so no stretching required.
I have no experience with their omnidirectional-ness. Might be worth a try. _________________ nothing |
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62DoKaGuy Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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cdennisg wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
And they have pleasure ribs, so that's good. |
If I turn it inside out will it be more fun for me?
Good to know, yet suprising considering who makes it, do they stretch on?, or do you have to do the full dismantle? |
They are split boots, so no stretching required.
I have no experience with their omnidirectional-ness. Might be worth a try. |
That might lead to another type of early failure... _________________ ,,Wenige Menschen denken, und doch wollen alle entscheiden.'' -der Alte Fritz
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...I went at it from both ends but going from the rear didn't seem to do anything, although I did spray some rust breaker in there... |
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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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ok, seems I was dealing with MADE IN BRAZIL PREMIUM QUALITY
thanks for your inputs The one that failed is clearly made in EPDM rubber..the EMPI one is silicone rubber, so that might help.
I'll look out for one on quality rubber that looks original. _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
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'64cal lookdub 1200 Deluxe
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: early failures |
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You can get the stock looking pair from Empi as well (9916) if you don't want to run the colored accordion boots. I'm running them on my bus and so far so good. |
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Joey Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:09 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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I have the yellow ones on my '56 beetle. They were on there when I got the car in 2004 - they still look good a don't leak. _________________ Joey
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cdennisg Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:25 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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LAGrunthaner wrote: |
cdennisg, good to know about the quality boot but does this mean the bolt on type is not a good choice? I am still learning so be easy |
They are the bolt-on type. The previous photo just doesn't show the split and the hardware. Here is a better shot.
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hitest Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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They're also handy in a road trip kit. If you tear a good one open- the accordion will get you home until a proper repair is made. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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epayne611 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:35 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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I think it would be really helpful to have a “winner and losers” style thread for split bus products... |
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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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ok, I am taking the hard way on this
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Lind Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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perello wrote: |
ok, I am taking the hard way on this
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You can just stretch them over the flange with a large screwdriver, you don't need to take the axle tube apart. And either way you do it with the one piece boots, you will be doing it again in a few years. They are junk.
I use EMPI split boots (not accordion ones) at the shop, and used original or NOS on my personal cars. I have installed 50 year old used boots that work just fine. _________________ .
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perello Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:15 am Post subject: Re: early failures |
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Lind wrote: |
You can just stretch them over the flange with a large screwdriver, you don't need to take the axle tube apart.
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tried once with nasty results. I also think this stresses the boot rubber.
Lind wrote: |
And either way you do it with the one piece boots, you will be doing it again in a few years. They are junk.
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gotcha. I also start to think that one piece boots are junk, mainly because there is low demand of them for evident reasons.
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I use EMPI split boots (not accordion ones) at the shop, and used original or NOS on my personal cars. I have installed 50 year old used boots that work just fine. |
It's my last try. If one of these break I will use open boots. _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
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