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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Something to look for... The mounting screws for the inspection covers and the mounting strap on the brake fluid reservoir are unpainted from the factory. If there is paint on the screws, that's a sure giveaway of post-factory painting. Of course, the covers could have been removed and sprayed body color, then reattached with the unpainted screws.

Note the red screw:
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Sloride, the inspection hole to the left of your washer fluid reservoir appears to have the rust painted over. Can you tell if that's the case? Have you removed the plates to see if there evidence of overspray underneath?

My '56, '60, '63, '65 and two '67s had black inspection plates.

Random pics from the 1964 gallery. Note that they're all black with unpainted screws (absolute proof that ALL were black in 1964, no. But it would be odd that a handful of cars received body colored plates one year only)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Some look original, although it was very un-VW-like to leave bare or premiered metal, for example under the body-colored inspection plates.

Did VW start assembling cars outside of Wolfsburg about then? Maybe a second plant had a different practice (for a while) before reverting to the old black cover practice?

Speculation, but it does seem confined to SOME '64s, not others. Anyone have a history of non-Wolfsburg production dates?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

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Some look original, although it was very un-VW-like to leave bare or premiered metal, for example under the body-colored inspection plates.

Did VW start assembling cars outside of Wolfsburg about then? Maybe a second plant had a different practice (for a while) before reverting to the old black cover practice?

Speculation, but it does seem confined to SOME '64s, not others. Anyone have a history of non-Wolfsburg production dates?


I thought the same thing, but if these are all US spec cars I would imagine they all originated from the same production facility. If not, that could explain variations.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

I just looked at my BCs and unfortunately they do not provide information about the production facility. If they did, that would be a great way to compare notes on suspected original body colored inspection plate covers and from where they originated. If all from the same place, yet a different plant than black plated cars, then, voila! But that'd be too easy Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

I think the evidence shows some 64's got factory painted inspection covers. Which is news and surprising to me. There was recently a blue 64 in this thread that also had painted covers:

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Picts have since been deleted but user mojan-n bought the car so maybe he/she can chime in if they see this. It was exactly the same situation: '64, painted covers, unpainted VIN tag and paint code sticker, and no obvious evidence of a respray.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

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Something to look for... The mounting screws for the inspection covers unpainted from the factory.


only if they are black and not body colored Wink

How ironic is this ? I have another 64 one family bug in my garage right now that I'm doing some engine work on. For shits and grins I pulled the spare tire and look what I found Shocked

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This bug even has the original VW logo'd windshield in it.

To many of these to say it is not from the factory. JMHO
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

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Something to look for... The mounting screws for the inspection covers unpainted from the factory.


only if they are black and not body colored Wink


Are you absolutely sure about that? A couple examples don't make a rule. In my review of some gallery photos since, I've seen unpainted screws with body colored plates. Thus, my post at the top of the page stands corrected; not all screws are unpainted. So touche' on calling that into question Razz

And what's ironic? You conveniently neglected to quote where I stated that my comment and posts of black covers doesn't prove that NO '64s were painted body colors. Rolling Eyes

Here ya go Wink
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. Note that they're all black with unpainted screws (absolute proof that ALL were black in 1964, no. But it would be odd that a handful of cars received body colored plates one year only)


So yours is one that would fall under the "odd" category that was discussed in subsequent posts. Not ironic, just another example of outside the usual Cool. Thus further stoking the curiosity of why is this anomaly found in '64s.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Ironic meaning I have another 64 in my garage today that has body colored covers. Another one family bug with no accident history that can be traced back to the original sale date.
This has been puzzling me for 30 years.
As stated, to many examples for me not to think it was anything but factory on a few random 64's.
Just posting information and pictures to try and solve the mystery. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

In a thread I started about German plants and production, Helfen stated:
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The Emden plant, established in 1964, initially concentrated on Beetle production, especially for the North American market.


This timing gives some credibility to the idea that a factory change may be responsible for the difference in plate color.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Perhaps the dude that painted in the VW plant got hammered every weekend and on Monday mornings he was so hung over he didn't feel like taking the plates off before he painted the trunk area. He said "screw it" (in slurred half-drunk German) and just shot over them.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

pics of the covers removed to show paint lines

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

All three plate must be black
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

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...Did VW start assembling cars outside of Wolfsburg about then? Maybe a second plant had a different practice (for a while) before reverting to the old black cover practice?

Speculation, but it does seem confined to SOME '64s, not others. Anyone have a history of non-Wolfsburg production dates?


I thought the same thing, but if these are all US spec cars I would imagine they all originated from the same production facility. If not, that could explain variations.


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In a thread I started about German plants and production, Helfen stated:
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The Emden plant, established in 1964, initially concentrated on Beetle production, especially for the North American market.


This timing gives some credibility to the idea that a factory change may be responsible for the difference in plate color.


I saw his post, too, which goes to our suspicions. Since no controversy over inspection plate covers existed on MYs other than '64, this Emden facility could explain the anomaly. Although my BCs do not state the production facility, perhaps it was a "given" that they came from Wolfsburg and, as such, don't reflect that info. It would be interesting to have owners of these anomalous cars look at their BCs to see if there is any reference to the plant of origin. Otherwise, note any closeness in VINs. Perhaps VINs between xxx and xxx were assigned to Emden?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

The VIN of the 64 java green I have in my garage is 6190***
and the red 64 according to Andy was built in Feb 64
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second pic is posted for Andy to see the cover orientation.
No BC for either of these bugs so that is a good question of being from different factory Question
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

I can't help but think most were originally black as I have many spares taken from an old all-VW salvage, closed 20 years ago, with many of the old bugs there already for 20 years = 40 year old bugs with only black covers -

i'll simply continue to think of them, restore them in BLACK... not saying that none were ever painted the body color - am saying most were black -

Mosta' my black covers have always been black - you wanna paint them, the same as the body color - knock yourself out, doing so.

one thing, I have learned in this VW world - there are exceptions to every rule - but the inspection-cover rule is - black is beautiful.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

The only way this makes sense would be for the screws to also be painted. The plates were clearly painted while installed in the car. No way they would have swapped out the screws after painting them. I would agree with the theory that Emden did this for a while before going back to the black covers.

The underside under the trunk and the under the rear of the car didn't get painted. They were spraying the body using an electrostatic process using an automated robotic spray system and those areas were not painted. There was a black '64 with something like 12 miles that surfaced a couple of years ago. These areas were clearly still in grey primer.

This is from 1960.
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Undercoating was also not a factory option. That was a dealer installed option only.
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The VIN of the 64 java green I have in my garage is 6190***
and the red 64 according to Andy was built in Feb 64


So, early-to-mid March and sometime in Feb. Close in bug production. Of course if Wolfsburg and Emden were producing US-market cars simultaneously, it may be more likely that they allocated VINs on an odd-even or some similarly allocated basis. Speculation, of course but it would make sense.
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The only way this makes sense would be for the screws to also be painted. The plates were clearly painted while installed in the car. No way they would have swapped out the screws after painting them. I would agree with the theory that Emden did this for a while before going back to the black covers.


There are several examples with the screw heads still painted and some not. Over the years and the occasional removal/reinstall, the paint on those screw heads could have chipped off giving the appearance of not having been painted. That would make sense.

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There was a black '64 with something like 12 miles that surfaced a couple of years ago. These areas were clearly still in grey primer.

Was the screw painted or not? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: inspection plate cover colors Reply with quote

Emden was opened in '64 but does anyone know what month?
The '64 model year ran from August '63 to July '64 so if the Emden Beetles had the painted covers then they would at the most fall in the last half of the production year.
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