| Author |
Message |
FL-Frank
Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2015
Posts: 823
Location: Jupiter, Florida
|
 Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:36 am Post subject: Rear Footwell Heating System |
 |
|
The rear footwell heating system in my ‘64 coupe is obviously missing some parts. The metal tubes under the rear seat bench are there, and the oulet holes in the kick panel are there, however, whatever connects the metal tubes to the holes with whatever type of open/close valve is missing.
Can someone please provide details, pictures, etc. of the missing parts?
_________________
“Tinker Toy” 1967 Savannah Beige Beetle Sedan...........Mostly Original Survivor
“Fritz” 1964 Gulf Blue Karmann Ghia Coupe...Complete Pan-Off Restoration SOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
sputnick60
Samba Moderator
Joined: July 22, 2007
Posts: 3916
Location: In Molinya Orbit
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
FL-Frank
Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2015
Posts: 823
Location: Jupiter, Florida
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
| sputnick60 wrote: |
This is from my '66 which has mostly the same set up.
If you look inside you can see the flap that clips to the centre pin.
Under the back seat there is a small tube entering the tunnel that leads a bowden wire to the emergency brake. I have better photos .. but can't find them right now.
Nicholas |
Thanks! I believe the outlet in your picture is probably the same outlet my car should have. I just checked, and the sheet metal has two small holes on either side of the large outlet hole...likely there to accommodate the two screws holding the outlet in place as in your picture.
Wondering if the flap is manually opened/closed, or is it done remotely by cable?
_________________
“Tinker Toy” 1967 Savannah Beige Beetle Sedan...........Mostly Original Survivor
“Fritz” 1964 Gulf Blue Karmann Ghia Coupe...Complete Pan-Off Restoration SOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bhartwell59
Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2014
Posts: 791
Location: dallas, tx
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
Via cables... controls located by your e-/parking brake handle
_________________
'74 Zambezi green Ghia vert, autostick, 101k
'87 Jeep Wrangler, 4.2, 330k |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
crocteau
Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005
Posts: 1204
Location: Philaburbia
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
This photo was recently posted here, and it shows another view that may help you.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
c705ncp
Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2008
Posts: 156
Location: North East England
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
I have a 73 Ghia and have blanked the rear heater outlets off. What a difference it make to heat coming through to footwell and screen.
Robert |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
FL-Frank
Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2015
Posts: 823
Location: Jupiter, Florida
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
| crocteau wrote: |
This photo was recently posted here, and it shows another view that may help you.
|
My car definitely does not have what looks in this picture to be a bowden tube with a cable going into it.
And, it looks like there is a second tube slip fitted inside the lip of the main underseat steel tube.
_________________
“Tinker Toy” 1967 Savannah Beige Beetle Sedan...........Mostly Original Survivor
“Fritz” 1964 Gulf Blue Karmann Ghia Coupe...Complete Pan-Off Restoration SOLD
Last edited by FL-Frank on Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
advCo
Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2017
Posts: 373
Location: Houston, TX
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
I don't have any great pics of the area on hand but here's one from my '70 (may it rest in pieces)
it looks like the cable housing design remained largely the same throughout the 60s+ although I know the Y heat exchanges changed design.
I just picked up a pre-70 donor that actually has an extra rear cross member with the bowden tubes, I can snap some pics later. If you need the parts, send me a PM and we can work something out.
_________________
"He pulled the mirrors off his Cadillac ‘cause he doesn’t like it looking like he looks back"
'68/'70 Ghia Coupe Project
'70 Westy Project - Champagne I Wannabe
A bunch of vintage Japanese motorcycles
"Much ingenuity with a little money is vastly more profitable and amusing than much money without ingenuity." -A. Bennett |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Era Vulgaris
Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2012
Posts: 1678
Location: Raleigh, NC
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
| c705ncp wrote: |
I have a 73 Ghia and have blanked the rear heater outlets off. What a difference it make to heat coming through to footwell and screen.
Robert |
Your controls and vent openings are different in '73. The 60's cars have one heat lever to turn heat on (open the flapper valves on the heat exchangers), and one lever to open the rear footwell vents. With the small front footwell vents that 60's cars have, being able to open the rear footwell vents allows a massive amount of MORE heat into the car. They are essential for the older cars if you want to stay warm.
_________________
Currently own:
66 Karmann Ghia, L390 Gulf Blue, under construction, here: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=760505&highlight=
99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Era Vulgaris
Samba Member
Joined: August 22, 2012
Posts: 1678
Location: Raleigh, NC
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
If it helps here are pics of both sides from my old '67
_________________
Currently own:
66 Karmann Ghia, L390 Gulf Blue, under construction, here: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=760505&highlight=
99 Mazda MX-5 10AE, Sapphire Blue Mica, 6 speed, LSD
Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
FL-Frank
Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2015
Posts: 823
Location: Jupiter, Florida
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
Found these on here...guess I can start with these 
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2142669
Looks like I also need to find the short pipes that slip fit onto the main pipe under the seat. It appears this short pipe (guesstimating about 3” in length) has a flapper mechanism inside of it that opens and closes, correct? Anyone know what this short pipe/flapper assembly is called? And would the same pipe/flapper assembly have been used on bugs from the early to mid 60’s?
_________________
“Tinker Toy” 1967 Savannah Beige Beetle Sedan...........Mostly Original Survivor
“Fritz” 1964 Gulf Blue Karmann Ghia Coupe...Complete Pan-Off Restoration SOLD |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
crocteau
Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2005
Posts: 1204
Location: Philaburbia
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
| FL-Frank wrote: |
| ...It appears this short pipe (guesstimating about 3” in length) has a flapper mechanism inside of it that opens and closes, correct? Anyone know what this short pipe/flapper assembly is called? And would the same pipe/flapper assembly have been used on bugs from the early to mid 60’s? |
My '66 Beetle has a very similar setup: flapper valves ganged to the control lever beside the emergency brake lever using solid wire cables running through metal bowden tubes. The key differences are that the partition under the front edge of the '66 Beetle rear seat bottom is fiberboard, the bowden tubes are welded to the pan, and the outlet collars are plastic. Also, the bowden tubes on the '66 Beetle are straighter than those on my '71 Ghia. Just eyeballing it I'd say these parts from a Beetle should be readily adaptable to your Ghia with some minor adjustments. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Redlabel6
Samba Member
Joined: October 17, 2016
Posts: 383
Location: Minnesota
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Rear Footwell Heating System |
|
|
On my '73, the short vertical pipes are welded in. The flappers have a spring clip for lack of a better word, they snap onto the vertical.
I'll try to find them in my parts bag tonight and take a picture.
d
_________________
1957 Oval Window Beetle
1973 Karmann Ghia Coupe
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=666792&highlight=73+coupe |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
