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Thompson2 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2018 Posts: 659 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:29 am Post subject: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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I am a whopping 6 days into bus ownership, so feel free to slag me for stupid newbie questions.. hopefully I'll eventually be a contributing member of the community.
I have a '63 subhatch flipseat that was originally blue white / turkis and I noticed something odd on the passengers side headlight bucket in the cab. It was obviously used as a foot rest for many years because they wore completely through the paint. This exposed the various layers of paint and it looks like there is bare metal, primer, turkis, then blue white.
So does this mean they painted the entire bus the lower color then painted it again where ever it was supposed to be the top color?
And when people do full resprays, do they do the same thing or mask between the two colors?
Here's a pic of the bucket, for reference.
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matthew henricks Samba Member
Joined: January 02, 2002 Posts: 1219 Location: So. Cal
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:35 am Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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If my memory serves me they did paint the whole but the base color and then paint over that for the top color.
When i did my bus i was going to do the same but the amount of additional paint i would have had to buy made me think twice. (SWR is expensive) Also being an amateur painter i always considered myself lucky when my paint job wend down smooth so why tempt fate and do it twice... |
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Thompson2 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2018 Posts: 659 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Yeah, I was thinking it'd be a lot more expensive to double paint. But maybe not in a production environment.
And I just noticed -- is that mouse grey between the primer and turkis? Somebody changed there mind mid-build on it? |
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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i have the same combo (flipseat turquoise over blue white), and you can see how the bus was painted based on what's left of my OG paint :
_________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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Thompson2 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2018 Posts: 659 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Enkiel wrote: |
i have the same combo (flipseat turquoise over blue white), and you can see how the bus was painted based on what's left of my OG paint :
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Cool. Definitely painted everything the base.
I assume your dash is white like mine?
And do you have any places that have work through the turkis to see what's under that? |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24757 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9915 Location: idaho
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:27 am Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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To be clear, they always completely painted two tone buses the lower color first, and then the upper color on top portion of the bus. Prior to the 1962 model year, they painted the dash and cab area the lower color, after that they painted the dash and cab the upper color. _________________ .
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EmpiGT Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer. |
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Enkiel Samba Member
Joined: October 21, 2004 Posts: 2771 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Thompson2 wrote: |
I assume your dash is white like mine?
And do you have any places that have work through the turkis to see what's under that? |
Yes, my dash is white.
I do have place where turkis is gone, but i'm not 100% sure what primer color is under that... i do believe its a gray similar to yours. _________________ 1964 Turkis Flipseat |
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Thompson2 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Lind wrote: |
To be clear, they always completely painted two tone buses the lower color first, and then the upper color on top portion of the bus. Prior to the 1962 model year, they painted the dash and cab area the lower color, after that they painted the dash and cab the upper color. |
Awesome! Learn something every day here! |
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Thompson2 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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EmpiGT wrote: |
The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer. |
And despite their best efforts, these things still rusted in all the wrong places.
Do people go through the same process when doing a full respray or are modern products sufficient to prime and seal? |
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EmpiGT Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Thompson2 wrote: |
EmpiGT wrote: |
The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer. |
And despite their best efforts, these things still rusted in all the wrong places.
Do people go through the same process when doing a full respray or are modern products sufficient to prime and seal? |
When I do a full respray I do put a sealer on top of the primer. Most true body shops should. Not sure what they do on the newer waterbase paints. I've never used that yet. Hope I never have to. |
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Cebu Samba Member
Joined: January 31, 2018 Posts: 22 Location: Stockton, California
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.
http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4 _________________ 1967 Microbus, 1967 Panel Bus.
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Thompson2 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Cebu wrote: |
I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.
http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4 |
That's what I expected from VW as well, but apparently they can't be bothered with that.
Love that color, by the way. The paint/body work on that look amazing! I've got just a smidge of work to get to that point. |
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Spezialist Banned
Joined: July 01, 2005 Posts: 1941
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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I’m sure the labor to apply the second color was more spendy than the actual color. _________________
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VWAdam Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2002 Posts: 3331 Location: Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Spezialist wrote: |
I’m sure the labor to apply the second color was more spendy than the actual color. |
I think it was more that the two-toning was simply to add a second color and not a sealing everything off type of thing.
Question: On a ‘62-later Bus, the dash is the top color. Is it just painted the top color only? Or is the bottom color underneath like it is on the top half of the Bus ? _________________ All he needed was a wheel in his hand and four on the road.
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iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2041 Location: M*ssholia
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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anyone have any pictures of how they masked to paint the second color? |
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Dave Becker Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Probably like this?
Wearing some great masks there...............Sorry _________________ FAHRVERGNUGEN;
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Thompson2 Samba Member
Joined: June 06, 2018 Posts: 659 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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VWAdam wrote: |
Question: On a ‘62-later Bus, the dash is the top color. Is it just painted the top color only? Or is the bottom color underneath like it is on the top half of the Bus ? |
Dash - top color over bottom.
Parcel tray - top only
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Cebu Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? |
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Thank you. The bottom is paint code titian red. When I had the original upper white color made it looked too dark for my liking so I went with another color called "cool vanilla" from the Matrix Paint System. I recommend spraying a sample on a flat piece of metal and stand outside in the sun to see if the color is what you really want. I went through 6 tries before I got the "white" I wanted. The red was dead on what I was looking for.
Thompson2 wrote: |
Cebu wrote: |
I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.
http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4 |
That's what I expected from VW as well, but apparently they can't be bothered with that.
Love that color, by the way. The paint/body work on that look amazing! I've got just a smidge of work to get to that point. |
_________________ 1967 Microbus, 1967 Panel Bus.
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