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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

I am a whopping 6 days into bus ownership, so feel free to slag me for stupid newbie questions.. hopefully I'll eventually be a contributing member of the community. Laughing

I have a '63 subhatch flipseat that was originally blue white / turkis and I noticed something odd on the passengers side headlight bucket in the cab. It was obviously used as a foot rest for many years because they wore completely through the paint. This exposed the various layers of paint and it looks like there is bare metal, primer, turkis, then blue white.

So does this mean they painted the entire bus the lower color then painted it again where ever it was supposed to be the top color?

And when people do full resprays, do they do the same thing or mask between the two colors?

Here's a pic of the bucket, for reference.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

If my memory serves me they did paint the whole but the base color and then paint over that for the top color.

When i did my bus i was going to do the same but the amount of additional paint i would have had to buy made me think twice. (SWR is expensive) Also being an amateur painter i always considered myself lucky when my paint job wend down smooth so why tempt fate and do it twice... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

Yeah, I was thinking it'd be a lot more expensive to double paint. But maybe not in a production environment.

And I just noticed -- is that mouse grey between the primer and turkis? Somebody changed there mind mid-build on it?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

i have the same combo (flipseat turquoise over blue white), and you can see how the bus was painted based on what's left of my OG paint :

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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i have the same combo (flipseat turquoise over blue white), and you can see how the bus was painted based on what's left of my OG paint :

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Cool. Definitely painted everything the base.

I assume your dash is white like mine?

And do you have any places that have work through the turkis to see what's under that?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

Earlier ones were opposite.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673157&highlight=two+tone+paint
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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Earlier ones were opposite.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673157&highlight=two+tone+paint

To be clear, they always completely painted two tone buses the lower color first, and then the upper color on top portion of the bus. Prior to the 1962 model year, they painted the dash and cab area the lower color, after that they painted the dash and cab the upper color.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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I assume your dash is white like mine?

And do you have any places that have work through the turkis to see what's under that?

Yes, my dash is white.

I do have place where turkis is gone, but i'm not 100% sure what primer color is under that... i do believe its a gray similar to yours.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

Lind wrote:
Eric&Barb wrote:
Earlier ones were opposite.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=673157&highlight=two+tone+paint

To be clear, they always completely painted two tone buses the lower color first, and then the upper color on top portion of the bus. Prior to the 1962 model year, they painted the dash and cab area the lower color, after that they painted the dash and cab the upper color.


Awesome! Learn something every day here!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer.


And despite their best efforts, these things still rusted in all the wrong places. Laughing

Do people go through the same process when doing a full respray or are modern products sufficient to prime and seal?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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The two different greys you are seeing is a primer base then a darker grey sealer.


And despite their best efforts, these things still rusted in all the wrong places. Laughing

Do people go through the same process when doing a full respray or are modern products sufficient to prime and seal?

When I do a full respray I do put a sealer on top of the primer. Most true body shops should. Not sure what they do on the newer waterbase paints. I've never used that yet. Hope I never have to.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.

http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.

http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4


That's what I expected from VW as well, but apparently they can't be bothered with that. Very Happy

Love that color, by the way. The paint/body work on that look amazing! I've got just a smidge of work to get to that point.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

I’m sure the labor to apply the second color was more spendy than the actual color.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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I’m sure the labor to apply the second color was more spendy than the actual color.


I think it was more that the two-toning was simply to add a second color and not a sealing everything off type of thing.

Question: On a ‘62-later Bus, the dash is the top color. Is it just painted the top color only? Or is the bottom color underneath like it is on the top half of the Bus ?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

anyone have any pictures of how they masked to paint the second color?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

Probably like this?

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Wearing some great masks there...............Sorry Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

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Question: On a ‘62-later Bus, the dash is the top color. Is it just painted the top color only? Or is the bottom color underneath like it is on the top half of the Bus ?


Dash - top color over bottom.
Parcel tray - top only


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:49 pm    Post subject: Re: How did they paint two-tone buses? Reply with quote

Thank you. The bottom is paint code titian red. When I had the original upper white color made it looked too dark for my liking so I went with another color called "cool vanilla" from the Matrix Paint System. I recommend spraying a sample on a flat piece of metal and stand outside in the sun to see if the color is what you really want. I went through 6 tries before I got the "white" I wanted. The red was dead on what I was looking for.

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I had my 67' painted recently. After the body work and primer the lower section was painted then the upper. You can see photos at my blog.

http://vdubuslife.com/blog/?paged=4


That's what I expected from VW as well, but apparently they can't be bothered with that. Very Happy

Love that color, by the way. The paint/body work on that look amazing! I've got just a smidge of work to get to that point.

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